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Posted by Stan McCann on 02/07/06 02:02
Gιrard Talbot <newsblahgroup@gtalbot.org> wrote in
news:44q1c5F3ekveU1@uni-berlin.de:
> Stan McCann wrote :
>
>> =?ISO-8859-15?Q?G=E9rard_Talbot?= <newsblahgroup@gtalbot.org> wrote
>> in news:44pl8nF3b1guU1@uni-berlin.de:
>> Firefox, and some of the other browsers on the market are our only
>> hope of ever having a browser that fully implements standards.
>
>
> I'd say Firefox, Opera, Safari, Icab are browsers trying to fully
> implements standards. All of them achieved more in implementing
> support for web standards than Microsoft and IE in the last 5 years.
Agreed. That's the point I was trying to make. Bill is too busy
trying to make his own standards (and internet IMO).
>
> I don't and
>> can't, but I'd love to see web developers begin ignoring IE when
>> developing.
>
> In some cases, this can and should be done. position: fixed is one
> example of this. Now that IE7 supports position:fixed and knowing
> that position:fixed degrades as position: absolute in non-compliant
> browsers, then it can be done.
If position:fixed really works, I might be able to finally give a
customer the fixed side menu (I want it like in frames) he wants
without the jumpiness in IE.
>
> When all of those IE users cannot get what they are after
>> using a non-www browser, they'll switch to something that they can
>> use to get what they want. I'd love to present IE users with blank
>> pages like I so often get due to my non-use of js, cookies and
>> plugins of all kinds. They'd switch, believe me. But getting all
>> those companies with crappy sites to switch, well your 2012
>> estimate may be way too soon.
>>
>
> I'd prefer to see companies with crappy sites to upgrade entirely
> their crappy sites: that's what I sincerly believe they should do.
Me too. But $$$ comes in here. Who's going to pay for redoing their
site? But really, the point I was trying to make here is that they
(site owners) like their crappy sites because those crappy sites are
making them money. Just a for instance of a site I don't visit. Ever.
amazon.com
It's been several years but last I looked, that was one of the
crappiest.
> "Browser makers are no longer the problem. The problem lies with
> designers and developers chained to the browser-quirk-oriented
> markup of the 1990s-often because they don't realize it is possible
> to support current standards while accommodating old browsers."
> http://webstandards.org/about/history/
I know what you mean. Of several instructors that teach HTML here, I'm
the only one that can tell you what a doctype is and why you might want
to use one. I do have one of them doing some study anyway. The rest
just use the same old books teaching transitional something.
--
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Webmaster, NMSU at Alamogordo http://alamo.nmsu.edu/
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