Posted by Jerry Stuckle on 10/24/05 14:32

Ramon wrote:
> Using Zend Studio at the moment. IMO opinion there's nothing out there
> other then Zend and perhaps NuSphere (which I haven't tried)for large
> scale PHP development.
>
> And anyone that stated in this thread that they don't need anything more
> then textpad, obviously have not worked on a large scale PHP project.
> When you have multiple people if not teams working on the same project,
> its a bloody pain in the ass to have to look up what some tool, in some
> other department called a fanction and what parameters it takes.
>

Please don't tell me what I have or have not worked on. I have been on
a couple of very large PHP projects, probably much larger than anything
you've been on (50+ programmers, several hundred K LOC).

No, it's NOT hard to determine what other departments have done. It's
called DOCUMENTATION.

> Thats only the start, IDEs (Zend) in this case provide me with several
> other features:
>
> 1) Debugger, this is a must, being able to view objects / array /
> variables run time, cuts down development time by at least 50% (probably
> more). Instead of having to print_r() every second line to find out
> whats going on.
>
> 2) Integratted PHPDoc, those of you who came out with guns blazing
> saying TextPad is all I need ra.. ra.. ra.. May not have the use for it,
> but my team and I certainly do.
>
> Integrated CVS, FTP, SFTP, Database browser, Table Browser (for most
> db's including oracle 10g), Code analyser, profiler, watches,
> breakpoints, projects, auto indentatio.
>
> Thats just a few of the features that come to mind, yes Zend support is
> really terrible... I mean really bad. But as far as large scale PHP
> development goes you can't go past it. Yes, I understand that people
> strugle with change, but you are prooving nothing to me saying that you
> can do it all with TextPad. I used to be in the same shoes, sure you can
> do it with TextPad, its only going to take you alot more time.
>
>

Sure, Zend has some advantages. Some or the people on the projects used
it. Others didn't.

I don't object to change. I tried Zend. The debugger is great. But
the IDE was too slow and limiting.

I'm not saying Zend or other IDE's are bad. They aren't. But what
works for one person does not work for every person. I work much faster
with a text editor than when using Zend. And most of our most
experienced programmers found the same. The newer programmers were more
likely to use Zend or some other IDE.

Interestingly enough, it was the most experienced programmers with their
text editors who invariably had the highest production and fewest errors.


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