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Posted by David Portas on 03/14/06 01:14

Erland Sommarskog wrote:
> David Portas (REMOVE_BEFORE_REPLYING_dportas@acm.org) writes:
> > Now here is a more interesting slant on the key problem. When does a
> > metric become a kludge?
>
> When the kludge is not a metric.
>
> Of course, two hits from the same IP address in the same ms is a little
> funny - but so are two hits 10 ms apart, but your model does not account
> for that. No_of_hits is just a mechanism you've added to solve the
> problem with collisions on a key values that represents a contiguous
> spectrum.
>
> Take another example. Some process in laboratory or whereever generates
> lots of measurements data, in rates of microseconds. We don't use datetime
> to store the value, obviously, but would it be right to assume discrete
> steps of microseconds? Maybe, but what if the frequency is somewhat
> uneven?. We can get two values registered for the same millisecond, but
> we know that they are nevertheless apart. And here we are not talking
> number of hits, but some value - presumably floating-point.
>
> What I am saying is that you cannot use en entity that is a continuous
> spectrum as a key. Key values must be discrete. Of, course, in a
> digital computer, everything is discrete - but that only means that
> two analogue values can get the same representation.

See Kimball on slowly changing dimensions. Or Date, Darwen and
Lorentzos on Temporal Data and The Relational Model. Time-variant data
is commonplace and all the techniques I know of expect the time
dimension to be part of the key. Kimball actually asserts that we
should choose fixed, granular periods for facts - although I don't
think he develops a proper argument to support that. So this is
interesting but given that we have widely implemented and proven
industry standard solutions for these problems I don't think you should
dismiss them without hard evidence that you can better them.

> And this is just one example where the real world does not have that
> fine key the relational model wants. Again, think customers.

Been there. Done that.

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