Posted by dorayme on 05/07/06 02:50

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<doraymeRidThis-FABCA9.16180506052006@news-vip.optusnet.com.au>,
dorayme <doraymeRidThis@optusnet.com.au> wrote:

> > > I agree with Leo. But, to be fair to Domestos, table layouts
> > > don't have this particular breakdown.
> >
> > Sure they do. Drag a window with a table in it far enough to the left
> > and the table contents start to disappear ...
> > My blather was universal and not constrained to non-table layout.
> > Geeze! ;-)

> Then your blather was wrong. A table layout of the material on
> the site I was discussing would not do the directly "crazy"
> things OP was referring to. ...
>
> And don't Geeze me! I have enough problems with religion.

OK Leo, since you have Geezed me again since - I am a glutton for
punishment - we need to appreciate some differences. In this
church here, there is not always the greatest sensitivity to how
things look to folk without "the knowledge". If content
disappears from a table in a window that has been quite unusually
narrowed, this is likely to be easily understood by all, the
scrollbars appear and there is a perception that it is the user
himself to a large extent that has caused this "difficulty" (how
the hell _could_ a nice big landscape appear in a very
deliberately narrowed window). In the case of the css template
under discussion, the perception of Domestos is quite
understandable, it looks from his point of view as if the design
is badly broken, the maker not really competent. Strange things
overlap other things.

To me, at the moment, (it was not always so), these strange
overlaps are a thing of beauty, of satisfaction, they happen
because they should happen given the design and the design has an
intelligence that pays off in the larger scheme of things (I am
not saying I favour this design over more regular floats and no
absolute positioning). It is quite a different thing from the
point of view of someone that does not understand the issues at
all at all. You need to make a leap in imagination about other
people's perception - things that you earthling men are not good
at :-)

And these perceptions are important. In making a commercial site,
for example, you need to take them into account. You need to make
concessions to folk other than the denizens of alt.html, you need
to make decisions to boost the confidence of the public in a
certain competence. There are the execs who see the site and they
are paying for it, there are the customers. All of these people
have not a clue. With a table layout as distinct from this
particular template, there would not be such raised eyebrows.
There are other col designs not table-based that largely avoid
"crazythings" (in other words I am not defending tables
absolutely). If you cannot see this, you are too far gone a
church disciple and time to take stock.

--
dorayme

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