Posted by Manuel Lemos on 11/26/06 11:17

Hello,

on 05/30/2005 02:21 PM Ryan A said the following:
>>>Not really, the service is still the same... true,
>>>but what happens if he decides to buy one more scan (49$) from that site
>>or
>>>decides to buy a 1 month scanning option ($119) or 1 year scanning
>>($899)?
>>>Does a little birdie get 35% (recurring) of that?
>
> **
> Read my phrase again: nothing changes for anybody that follows the link,
> whether or not anybody gains from any referrals.
>
> That means that if a person that follows the link that I suggested buys
> $1000 worth of services or goods, he would still pay $1000 if the link
> did not contain my referral id.
> **
> Thats how affilate systems work, they dont "add" your commision to their
> products,
> they give you a kind of "brokers fee"....but you already know that of
> course.
> When you say "nothing changes for anybody that follows the link" thats a
> half truth as
> you would profit if he actually buys something as i have said over and over
> and.....again.

Right, that just confirms what I said. The fact that I could profit or
not does not change anything for whoever follows that link because
anything that I may gain will not be taken from a loss caused to whoever
follows the link.



> **
> but the way you are putting
> you are confusing other people reading the thread by making them believe
> that the price would be different if I were to get any commissions.
> **
> Never said that, all I said (and i'm repeating for the damn 10th time(at
> least)) that
> you should just mention that the link you send contains your affiliate code
> and you gain
> something if they buy.

No, I don't agree. As I said many times it would be irrelevant because
it would not change anything in the price or the service that was suggested.



>>what would you say about the PHP group that lists a pile of books in Amazon
> linked with their affiliate
>>id but they do not mention that fact anywhere in their pages?
> http://www.php.net/books.php
> --------------
>>Ummm..... this is whats written on the page:
> "If you buy the book using the links on this page, you are helping to
> support PHP development! "
>>Lucky for me, English is my mother tongue but I think even if it was'nt
> and my IQ was quite a bit lower
>>I would still the idea that if I buy a book using one of those links the
> site was gaining from it.
>
> ***
> You are not being serious and you are only acting with bias against me, as
> nowhere in that page it says
> that when you use those links, the PHP Group (I suppose) may earn 15% on
> commissions of books sold
> for their referrals to Amazon.
> ***
> Bias against you? You nuts or something?

You started attacking my reputation and you are still insulting calling
me dishonest, paranoid and megalomaniac. Until you cease your attacks I
feel I have the right to defend myself.



> They dont have to say how much they are getting, they just mentioned that
> they gain from it (the decent thing)

That is false. They do not mention they gain commissions from books sold.

I also did not say I gain commissions from referrals, still you insist
that I should be "crucified" for not have done that, while the same
omission in the PHP books page is acceptable for you. Therefore, your
bias against me is proven.


> Maybe you could have written; "clicking the link might help me pay my
> bills"...or is even that too much for you?

As I said and explained many times, that is irrelevant and distracting
for the users that may follow my suggestion.


> ***
> My point is that it is pretty common to not distract people with the details
> of who gets what with referrals because
> it does not change anything for who follows a link with our without the
> referral id. The price and the service is the same.
> ***
> First, you are not "distracting" anybody, you are simply being honest and
> showing the person you are helping them

I am honest because I explained that when I was asked. Your claim that I
am not being honest otherwise, constitutes a direct insult to me.






> ***
> Don't be ridiculous! Everybody gains something when he helps somebody on
> these lists. Sometimes people just feel good for being helpful (think
> for instance of Richard Lynch), other times people actually gain
> reputation and are contracted to provide paid jobs (think for instance
> of Chris Shifflet), some may even gain money indirectly from commission
> referrals (think of the PHP Group with the books page), etc..
> ***
> Fair enough...and people like me gain knowledge and tips from reading other
> peoples posts.
> As for people who gain indirect commission referrals...which is what this is
> all about... let me
> put it in a way that might help you understand the whole point of this
> side-discussion:
> T H E Y S A Y T H E Y A R E C O N N E C T E D W I T H T H E S I T E
> in some way...or that they are gaining from the referral (like in the php
> books link)

Go a look in the PHP books and tell me where it is mentioned explicitly
that the PHP Group is connected to Amazon and other stores. Can't find
that mention? My point is proven.


> End of discussion from my side, if you want to continue to argue about the
> above please write
> to yourself (both what I would say and your answer), but what I do suggest
> is you take some time
> off and do some thinking... we are not all out to "get you"...look into the
> words 'paranoid' and
> 'megalomaniac'

I regret to notice that you continue to be rude insisting on your
personal attacks just because I do not agree with you.

For me, a person that needs to resort to personal insult just to push
his arguments is somebody that already realized that he has no
reasonable points to defend but does not want to admit it.

I also do not have anything else to add to this thread as I would be
just repeating myself. The difference between you and me is that I tried
to explain my points and why I disagree with you without resorting to
personal insult.

BTW, what do you call to a person that throws stones to another and then
runs away to not face the consequences?! (Don't answer, that is a
rethorical question)


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Regards,
Manuel Lemos

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