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Posted by Beauregard T. Shagnasty on 05/28/06 05:20
In alt.html, Chris Tomlinson wrote:
> "Beauregard T. Shagnasty" <a.nony.mous@example.invalid> wrote
>> In alt.html, Chris Tomlinson wrote:
>
> Hi, thanks for the feedback.
>
>>> Because I want to add tables, which will word-wrap incorrectly if
>>> the font size is changed, how can I disable allowing the browser to
>>> do this?
Forgot to ask: what do you want to use these tables for? True tabular
data?
>> What will your visually impaired visitors do? And, unless the
>> visitor is using IE, they all can easily override your fixed font
>> size. (So can IE, but it is not apparently easy, therefore the
>> masses don't know how.)
>
> I have thought about accessibility, and as I said, most new browsers
> use a 'zoom' feature which will allow them to read everything. The
> difference is it also zooms the tables, so the formatting doesn't go
> wrong. However if they just adjust the text size, then the text
> becomes too big for the table.
Of the major browsers, the only one I know of with a 'zoom' feature is
Opera. The Firefox/Mozilla family uses Control-Plus to increase text
only.
> How is it supposed to be possible to use a table like that at
> www.superhighstreet.com and yet have it viewable in different font
> sizes? I can't see this is doable. :-S
Oh, I see. You want to use tables for layout. Sorry, can't help you with
that. I've moved into the 21st century. <g>
The superhighstreet site is using ancient <font> elements, which I have
not used since .. probably 1998?
<font face="Verdana" size="2" color="#FFFFFF">
>>> Basically I want the font size to stay how I designed it. If they
>>> need it bigger, they can use the zoom option in more recent browsers.
>>
>> Web pages used on the World Wide Web should be designed for the
>> visitors, not the author.
>
> If you can help show me how to do it, I am happy to take that on-board.
Google the groups for creating design layouts using <div>s and CSS.
>>> Thanks in advance for any helpful constructive replies :)
>>
>> Set your body { font-size: 100%; } and use slightly larger for headings,
>> and slightly smaller for legalese. Then everyone should be able to read
>> it. Oh, and don't use Verdana like the bbc does.
>
> Thanks, but what do you meant "Set your body { font-size: 100%; }"?
That would be the CSS to assign the main font to your visitors' default
size. Or ... are you not aware of what CSS is?
Rik suggested using 'em' for sizing; I would recommend percentages,
though, due to a bug in some versions of IE where a resize from say,
smaller to medium, with *double* the display size. Use em for widths of
columns and boxes, though; that's ok.
> Surely this will still mean text becomes too big for tables if they
> increase their font size?
As long as you don't assign fixed pixel sizes to the tables, they will
expand with the larger fonts.
http://allmyfaqs.net/faq.pl?AnySizeDesign
> And what's the problem with Verdana? Best to validate a "don't do this"
> comment with a reason, then people can understand why not to. :D
http://www.xs4all.nl/~sbpoley/webmatters/verdana.html
These points are all discussed here very frequently. Almost daily, it
seems. ;-)
Have a look at this one site of mine. The only tables you will find are
for, as expected, tabular data. The listings of motorcycles, the store
hours... and it pretty much doesn't care how wide your browser window
is, either.
http://countryrode.com/
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