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Posted by Tony Marston on 12/17/67 11:54
"Richard Levasseur" <richardlev@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> Tony Marston wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> > Benefits such as a standard meta-syntax,
>> >>
>> >> What is meta-syntax, what benefits do standards bring, and who set
>> >> those
>> >> standards?
>> >>
>> >
>> > "What benefits do standards bring"...? I'm sorry, but is this a
>> > serious question? In addition to being anti-case-sensitive, are you
>> > also anti-standards?
>>
>> I mean "standard meta-syntax".
>>
>
> Because then you don't have to worry about the personal convention of
> the programmer; it is a language enforced semantic.
But why should the semantics of one language be enforced on all other
languages? That surely defeats the object of havng different languages.
>> >> > so we don't have to rely on intelli-sense,
>> >>
>> >> What's wrong with intellisense? If it is built into an IDE which
>> >> detects
>> >> what you have keyed in and automatically adjusts the case to match the
>> >> previous declaration then surely by not using it you are exposing
>> >> youself
>> >> to
>> >> the problems brought about by using a case-sensitive system. Surely
>> >> this
>> >> simply demonstrates that case-sensitivity is a problem and not a
>> >> solution.
>> >>
>> >
>> > I didn't say there was anything wrong with it. With untyped languages,
>> > though, intellisense loses some of its value. Not every IDE has
>> > intellisense, either, and quality varies between them.
>>
>> Then it's up to the programmer to choose the right IDE. If some insist on
>> using siple text editors without intellisense then that is their problem,
>> not mine.
>>
>
> The programmer shouldn't have to choose the "right" IDE. He should be
> able to choose whatever he wants. Vim is a very capable text editor (I
> <3 vim), but, afaik, its intellisense is non-existant.
If a programmer deliberately chooses an IDE without inellisense then he has
absolutely no right to complain that the lack of intellisense is causng a
problem.
>> >> > constantly refer back to the declaration and documentation,
>> >>
>> >> If the system is not case-sensitive then he possibility of having
>> >> multiple
>> >> declarations of the same thing in different case would not be a
>> >> problem.
>> >>
>> >> > or some smart ass who LiKEs To ALTerN4t3 c4ps and
>> >> > condense everything into as few lines as possible.
>> >>
>> >> Any moron who deliberately uses mixed case to cause confusion deserves
>> >> nothing more than a poke in the eye with a pointed stick. But if the
>> >> language was not sensitive to case then it would not be a problem in
>> >> the
>> >> first place, now would it?
>> >>
>> >
>> > Yes, it would still be a problem. That same moron can still do a
>> > plethora of other things to make the code harder to read and
>> > understand. If they're going to write obscufucated code, then whether
>> > or not the language is case sensitive or not is irrelevent. In fact, I
>> > would say it works to their advantage because now they can write it
>> > differently everytime. Is it really that hard to distinguish
>> > hiTh3RetWoU from hiTh3reTwoU? Not particularly, but its extra work I
>> > shouldn't have to worry about and can be easily eliminated.
>>
>> I am not interested in how many other ways there are of writing
>> obfuscated
>> code. I am only concerned with the issue of case sensitivity.
>>
>
> The point is that case-sensitivity helps reduce the possibly of writing
> code like that.
My opinion is exactly the opposite. The spelling of a word is important, the
case is not.
>> >> > After all, we should strive for code that is as self-documenting as
>> >> > possible.
>> >>
>> >> What has case-sensitivity got to do with self-documenting code? I have
>> >> been
>> >> writing self-documenting code for 25+ years using case-insensitive
>> >> languages
>> >> without any problems.
>> >>
>> >
>> > Because, as one of the benefits of case-insensitivity, you say that
>> > thisTHING and thisThing are the same, so one doesn't need to worry
>> > about how one writes it, implying and supporting that one *should*
>> > alternate how it is written, which is not conductive towards readable
>> > and self documenting code.
>>
>> The fact that the system ignores case does not mean that it is obligatory
>> to
>> use mixed case as much as possible. Any programmer on my team who does
>> such
>> a thing will not be on my team for long.
>>
>
> Then whats the point of being case insensitive when you're always going
> to write it in a case sensitive manner?
It is perfectly acceptable to write a word in either all upper or all lower
case, but somebody who deliberately switches case with alternate characters
is a moron.
--
Tony Marston
http://www.tonymarston.net
http://www.radicore.org
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