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Posted by Jerry Stuckle on 12/15/06 05:21
Osiris wrote:
> On Thu, 14 Dec 2006 16:12:40 -0500, Jerry Stuckle
> <jstucklex@attglobal.net> wrote:
>
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>>Osiris wrote:
>>
>>>On Wed, 13 Dec 2006 07:21:33 -0500, Jerry Stuckle
>>><jstucklex@attglobal.net> wrote:
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>>>>Osiris wrote:
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>>>>>On Tue, 12 Dec 2006 22:34:01 -0000, Jim Logajan <JamesL@Lugoj.com>
>>>>>wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>nobody@nowhere.invalid (Peter Boosten) wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Osiris <nono@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>time for a Joomla newsgroup !
>>>>>>>>support the initiative on news.groups and nl.newsgroups.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>search there with keyword "joomla" and give your opinion, with solid
>>>>>>>>arguments.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>What's wrong with their forum?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>http://forum.joomla.org/
>>>>>>
>>>>>>It appears to be the rough equivalent of a moderated Usenet forum, since
>>>>>>the owner/operator of the web forum can edit posts, remove posts, or
>>>>>>blacklist posters.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>An unmoderated Usenet forum would be operating with a different set of
>>>>>>ground rules that provides almost no centralized editorial control of
>>>>>>content.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>The two types of forums would therefore appear to have some complementary
>>>>>>aspects (assuming the Usenet group is kept unmoderated) and some
>>>>>>competitive aspects. E.g: Usenet group too "noisy" - go to the Joomla.org
>>>>>>forum; Joomla.org forum too restrictive - go to the Usenet newsgroup.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>Of course, the choice between the two solutions is a false dilemma.
>>>>>The situation is not one of XOR, but of AND, for the programmers
>>>>>amongst us.
>>>>>
>>>>>A feature of a forum is, e.g. that it can be extremely difficult to
>>>>>get in: yesterday I spent about 15 minutes to get into joomla.org
>>>>>forum. Really ! and I'm no novice on the WWW !
>>>>>The sea of id's and passwords I have for all the forums I have been
>>>>>to, you would not believe. I regularly forget one... nuisance, and the
>>>>>veru faint smell of elitism...
>>>>>
>>>>>Probably a forum is good for a smaller group of developers, but the
>>>>>regular user, encountering a problem, wants the speed and prliferation
>>>>>of Usenet.
>>>>>I think Usenet can contribute significantly in the spreading of the
>>>>>Word, by just being there and being easy to find.
>>>>>
>>>>>Also the centralization of the diiscussions on Usenet, versus the
>>>>>miriad of Joomla forums (every Tom, Dick and Harry....), would be
>>>>>beneficial.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>What took you so long? I can sign up for their forum in under 5 minutes
>>>>- less than three minutes if I don't count the time waiting for the
>>>>authorization email.
>>>
>>>
>>>I can get on to a usenet group in under 30 seconds.... No return
>>>e-mails, no passwords, no hassle...
>>>Not every Tom, Dick and Harry putting a forum up... centralized..
>>>
>>
>>So? YOU can do it. That doesn't mean ANYONE ELSE wants it. Many
>>people are much more comfortable with forums.
>>
>
>
> No it does not, but it might mean soneone else wants it too. And
> that's what it is all about here...
>
And again - this is the wrong place. You should be asking where the
Joomla people are - on the forum.
>
>>Additionally, if someone doesn't have a news reader or news server
>>available (or don't know how to use what they have - very common!), then
>>they would have to go through something like Google Groups. I'd much
>>rather have a forum.
>>
>
>
> so YOU are more comfy etc.
>
>
More comfy with a forum over Google Groups? Definitely!
>
>>>>And yes, it is a case of either/or. People are not going to post the
>>>>same information to both the forum and usenet. They'll post it to the
>>>>forum and that's all.
>>>
>>>
>>>Ummmmm, that is an XOR after all ....
>>>
>>
>>Yep, they will post in one or the other - but not both.
>
>
> yep, but then for that to be true there must be a usenet group....
>
Yes, and from everything I've seen, that newsgroup would be DOA before
it got off the ground.
>
>>>>But this is the wrong place to try to drum up support, anyway. You
>>>>should be trying to get it on the Joomla forums. But I see you've done
>>>>that - with, so far, a distinct lack of interest from the Joomla community.
>>>
>>>
>>>mmm, does that sound a teeny little bit hostile ?
>>>You're a forum operator ?
>>
>>No, not hostile. Just point out that this is the wrong place to be
>>asking. This is for PHP questions. By continuing to try to use this to
>>promote your own agenda which is unrelated to PHP, you're acting more
>>like a spammer.
>
>
> Joomla is heavily PHP...
> Big chance there are Joomla people around here... where else would
> they go, being frustrated by the forum mechanisms....:-D
So? PHPBBS is heavy PHP. PHPMyAdmin is heavy PHP. A lot of other
products are heavy PHP. That doesn't make them valid topics for a PHP
developers group.
So by your logic I should be asking my Linux admin questions in a C
newsgroup because Linux is written in C. Same for my Windows accounting
package.
This group is for how to develop in PHP, not how to use a CMS written in
PHP.
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