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Posted by Henk Verhoeven on 02/20/07 00:11
Hi Michal,
IMHO the Zend framework is a lot of code for the little function it
provides. It makes you depend on apache, who knows what server your next
customer will be using?
With respect to MVC and flexibility phpPeanuts does the same (decouple
the requesthandler from the request) and much more (provide flexible
(reflective) default handlers for most basic application functions)
(same concept as Ruby on Rails*). It lets you override many details
with the freedom of expression of real php code without modifying the
framework code itself. It separates layout from user interface logic. It
separates the user interface from business logic. It provides framework
based persistency with polymorphism and navigational queries. And all
that in only 808 KB (including the default user interface layout).
OK, learning how to handle so much function comes with a steep learning
curve. But there are tutorials that show how you step by step extend and
refine an application. Learning how to use it may eventually enable you
to develop real life web appplications at a staggering speed of 17.9
function points per hour** (most of the competition is still talking
about hours per function point). But why be negative about learning? In
the end the knowledge you get from it will prove a lot more valuable
then any framework can ever be (at least for your fee as a software
developer).
Is it stable? Some people may say its aproach is experimental, but in
fact it is the third generation of successive frameworks i have
developed since 1992 (no, the first generation was not in php ;-)). It
is currently in a hybrid state between php4 and php5 (it runs on both
with only a single 8Kb file that is platform specific). But software
like people: When it's really stable it's probably dead. Of course there
will be changes when it is migrated to pure php5. But i don't think
migrating a substantial (but well-written) app will take more then a few
days. But OK, if you are not willing to learn your code won't be much
good, so it could take a lot longer. In that case forget about reuse,
using third party code will not solve anything if the problems are in
your head.
Greetings,
Henk Verhoeven,
www.phpPeanuts.org.
* Both use the principle of 'default reasoning' that is founded in
Artificial Intenlligence research. In the predecessor of phpPeanuts it
was introduced in 1996 when the user interfacing layer was developed.
** Measured in the hours it would have taken to develop the same
end-user function using OOP, an IDE, an object-to-relational mapping
library, a visual GUI editor and implementing all events that need to be
handled in Smalltalk code. (Coding itself is in Smalltalk slightly more
productive then in php, i guess it's about the same as in Ruby)
Oliver Grätz wrote:
> avlee schrieb:
>> I am planning in my company to move to php.MVC framework - to create
>> several big web applications.
>> What are your opinions of this framework ?
>> Is it the best MVC framework for PHP ?
>> What are the pros and cons ?
>
> When I researched frameworks I read about php.MVC too. To mee it looks
> like the framework is not very actively maintained and/or it has a very
> small community. Compare this to the "big players" like the Zend
> Framework or Symfony. Large communities are a big pro when it comes to
> getting problems fixed.
>
> From the MVC point of view I like Zend's RewriteRouter component
> because its multi-route concept makes the Controller component very
> flexible. Also, the Zend Framework does not force you to use anything
> more of it than you really want. It "scales" from being an ordinary
> class library to a framework, and it's not yet a final release!
>
> OLLi
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