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Posted by Neo Geshel on 04/21/07 01:48
Sherm Pendley wrote:
> Neo Geshel <gotcha@geshel.org> writes:
>
>> Sherm Pendley wrote:
>>> Neo Geshel <gotcha@geshel.org> writes:
>>>
>>>> NOTE: PAST EXPERIENCE HAS SHOWN ME THAT MANY ON USENET FAIL TO READ
>>>> ARTICLES PROPERLY PRIOR TO ANSWERING. I AM LOOKING FOR VERY SPECIFIC
>>>> INFORMATION, THEREFORE PLEASE READ AND UNDERSTAND THOROUGHLY BEFORE
>>>> RESPONDING; OR ASK QUESTIONS TO CLARIFY. I *WILL* APPRECIATE ANY
>>>> CONSTRUCTIVE REPLY.
>>> You begin by cross-posting, shouting, and then telling us that we should
>>> read an article "properly", even though you can't be bothered to post it
>>> that way.
>> Would you rather I multi-post?
>
> No, I would rather you choose one group. This doesn't belong in .misc, or
> in .site-design, and alt.html is well-nigh useless.
okay, .misc was useless. I agree. But .site-design was chosen because,
had you actually read to the end of the post, you would have seen that I
am also requesting design critiques.
But alt.html is one of the busiest NG for html/xhtml. And looking for a
relevant response always boils down to the law of averages.
As for both multiposting *and* crossposting being inappropriate, let’s
see what Wikipedia says:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crossposting
Hmm.... I appear to be a rather good Netcitizen when it comes to
multi/crossposting. If I were to drop the .misc, then all of the other
NG’s would be on-topic for my *original* post. In fact, I could probably
have added alt.html.critique, due to my request for a design critique at
the end of the post.
>>> My advice is, since using XHTML is causing problems, use HTML instead.
>>> Problem solved.
>> I have far more problems with HTML and “quirks mode” rendering
>> differences between browsers
>
> This is getting to be a common theme for you, complaining about problems
> you've created for yourself. If quirks mode causes problems, use a DTD
> that doesn't trigger it. Problem solved.
There is no DTD that can, by itself, do as good a job as { XHTML 1.1 DTD
+ [application/xml for IE | application/xhtml+xml for everything else] +
XML Prolog [ + XSLT Transformation for IE] } across the “big three” of
IE, Firefox and Opera.
Besides, I have, at least on my own machine, achieved “purity”. I have
managed to implement a perfect XHTML 1.1 page, conforming to all of the
XHTML 1.1 specs, that works across both IE and Mozilla/Opera.
However, because I have multiple copies of IE on my machine (from v3 to
v7), I am unsure if my copies of [5 <= IE < 7] are providing accurate
results, and all the other WinDoze machines available to me are XP
boxen, and those have already upgraded to IE 7. Hence my request for
field results from other people using [5 <= IE < 7], which was the *only
thing* I actually requested in my post. You would have realized this,
had you actually taken the time to read the entire post.
Should I start spoon-feeding the Usenet community the specifics of what
I look for? Is it really that hard to properly read a post before
answering??
>>> don't come back here asking for solutions to the problems you've insisted
>>> on creating for yourself, and insulting the very people who tried to tell
>>> you how to avoid those problems in the first place.
>> Confusing cause and effect, are we?
>
> No, "we" aren't. You seriously think you're the first person to try this?
> Do you think that the advice given to everyone else who has tried it will
> be any different for you?
No, but I make it a point to mention what I have already tried, what I
have discounted because I am not going in that direction, and what my
objectives are. The problem I run into is that people tend to answer my
posts with advice that mirrors things I have clearly mentioned that I
have already done; as if they failed to read the whole post to begin
with. Hence, my attempt to “focus” readers into the same direction that
I am attempting to go.
> Get over yourself and type "XHTML" into a Google Groups search. Then read
> and learn.
I wasn’t looking for advice. I had clearly stated in my post that I was
looking for *field results* from the link I posted. I wanted to see if
people managed to run into any errors that I haven’t been able to.
To wit: The site works just fine with [5 <= IE < 7] on my machine. Does
it work fine on your copy of [5 <= IE < 7] too? If yes, ignore post and
move on. If no, tell me (along with specifics), so I know that there is
at least *one* person out there that has a problem.
Or in other words, RTFP.
Cheers.
...Geshel
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