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Posted by Neredbojias on 05/28/07 05:17
On Fri, 25 May 2007 23:08:39 GMT dorayme scribed:
> In article <Xns993B84FC2CE73nanopandaneredbojias@208.49.80.251>,
> Neredbojias <neredbojias@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On Thu, 24 May 2007 22:05:52 GMT dorayme scribed:
>>
>> >> Then what word is it like? _Any_ word follows those rules, be it
>> >> proper noun or anything else. Xhtml doesn't apply to English
>> >> grammar.
>> >>
>> >
>> > Since a name is not that much like other words, it is odd to ask
>> > what word is it like. Think how the normal rules about
>> > capitalisation do not apply with names when they are used within
>> > sentences (as contrasted with starting them). They mostly remain
>> > capitalised! In other words, names are special, not like most
>> > other words like "cat", "some", "you", "it". So your stated
>> > objection to treat them like other words for the purpose of
>> > starting sentences looks to me like very special pleading.
>>
>> With all due respect to helical celluloid retes, this is twisted
>> logic.
>
> And twisted how? Where is the twist? What part of my above is
> wrong?
You've implied that names are "special" and somehow exempt from the
normal-word rule of having to be capitalized at the beginnings of
sentences. You've offered no progression of logic nor presented no
valid reference that led you specifically to such a belief, special or
not. Furthermore, since the logic of a false conclusion is requisitely
false, I stated so with a clear conscience.
>> Names are simply proper nouns which follow the rules of grammar in
>> much the same fashion as other nouns.
>
> In spite of the fact I pointed to? That it is normal for a common
> noun to be capitalised when starting a sentence but not when not
> whereas a name like "John" remains capitalised.
How does this fact in any way support your premise? You are trying to
state that since proper nouns are always capitalized, certain other
words can always be non-capitalized. Oh, that makes alot of sense!
Even if the conclusion were true, which it isn't, the general
capitalization of proper nouns has absolutely nothing to do with your
aversion. That is like saying _because_ some birds go "Tweet! Tweet!"
in the rain, some birds are silent in a draught.
>> They are often capitalized inherantly,
>> but _always_ capitalized at the beginning of sentences.
>
> If they are often capitalised inherently, why can't they
> sometimes be small-cased inherently?
They not only can, they are. -But not at the beginnings of sentences.
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Neredbojias
He who laughs last sounds like an idiot.
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