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Posted by Bear Bottoms on 08/11/07 14:36
On Sat, 11 Aug 2007 06:49:57 -0500, Ben C <spamspam@spam.eggs> wrote:
> The name is misleading, but what I really don't like about the product
> is that it encourages completely the wrong way of going about things.
No it doesn't, it helps light users find issues with their code.
> What's the point of an "HTML Editor" at all? HTML is text and there are
> plenty of text editors. Invest a bit of effort in learning how to use
> one of the more powerful ones and you soon will be able to do everything
> the CSE editor does and much more.
So you are a HTML guru. Many are not. This sounds like the Linux crowd.
> A case in point is its various crude "tools" (I think there's one called
> the "template" tool for example). So if you want to do the exact thing
> the CSE Editor gives you a button for, you click the button. But what if
> you want something slightly different? What do you do? Hunt around for a
> more expensive version of the editor that has the precise feature you're
> looking for? Submit a feature request? Of course not, you write it
> yourself in five minutes using the proper editor or scripting languages
> you've spent a little worthwhile time getting to know. That's what
> anyone who has a clue does.
This is a egotistical rant. So if folks don't do what you do, they haven't
a clue and shouldn't be doing it eh. Many people without high level HTML
skills are able to put out fairly good web pages using these tools. If you
are an expert, I would imagine you wouldn't need them.
> In order to write HTML pages it is better to understand some of the
> basics of text editing, of HTML, and of authoring for the web.
I do understand the basics. I make most of my modifications in the code,
as sometimes the editors leave a lot of trash in the code when you cut and
paste. If you use an editor at all, these validation tools are very
helpful with cleaning up the code and finding errors. That is what they
try to do, help non-experts. It certainly isn't a nefarious attempt at
anything. If your skills are at the level where you don't need their help,
swell...
> I don't
> say this because I snootily think only "qualified" or "competent" people
> should be allowed to write for the web. On the contrary my point is that
> these basics are easy to learn, and all the information and tools needed
> are freely available. Fortunately that's how things are done on
> computers nowadays.
Your whole rant is filled with snooty crap.
> Finally, if you find the earlier discussion on alt.html, one poster very
> quickly found a bug in the CSE "Validator"'s HTML parser. Now software
> has bugs in it, that's to be expected, but Albert Wiersch's response
> wasn't. In a variant of divine command theory, he denied that it was bug
> claiming that whatever the CSE Validator pronounced was correct by
> definition. That kind of attitude is worthy of a Microsoft product
> manager.
He was probably technically right. Lots of snooty little people out there.
> Use a good text editor, tidy, the W3C validators and read a couple of
> tutorials. That's much better advice to anyone than to buy the CSE
> product, even if it is free for 17.5 hours on some special day of the
> year. He can keep it.
I use W3C or did, and it was good enough for my purposes. When the free
offer for CSE came about, I grabbed it up as it does a much better job for
me than W3C.
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