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Posted by Bear Bottoms on 08/11/07 19:53
On Sat, 11 Aug 2007 13:39:33 -0500, Ben C <spamspam@spam.eggs> wrote:
> On 2007-08-11, Bear Bottoms <bearbottoms1@gmai.com> wrote:
>> On Sat, 11 Aug 2007 06:49:57 -0500, Ben C <spamspam@spam.eggs> wrote:
> [...]
>>> A case in point is its various crude "tools" (I think there's one
>>> called
>>> the "template" tool for example). So if you want to do the exact thing
>>> the CSE Editor gives you a button for, you click the button. But what
>>> if
>>> you want something slightly different? What do you do? Hunt around for
>>> a
>>> more expensive version of the editor that has the precise feature
>>> you're
>>> looking for? Submit a feature request? Of course not, you write it
>>> yourself in five minutes using the proper editor or scripting languages
>>> you've spent a little worthwhile time getting to know. That's what
>>> anyone who has a clue does.
>>
>> This is a egotistical rant. So if folks don't do what you do, they
>> haven't
>> a clue and shouldn't be doing it eh.
>
> Rubbish. I was quite careful to point out that that is exactly _not_
> what I am trying to say.
All the while saying it.
>
>> Many people without high level HTML skills are able to put out fairly
>> good web pages using these tools. If you are an expert, I would
>> imagine you wouldn't need them.
>
> My whole point is that you don't have to be an "expert" not to need
> these tools.
>
Then I must be below beginner.
>>> In order to write HTML pages it is better to understand some of the
>>> basics of text editing, of HTML, and of authoring for the web.
>>
>> I do understand the basics. I make most of my modifications in the
>> code, as sometimes the editors leave a lot of trash in the code when
>> you cut and paste.
>
> Why do you use an editor that leaves "trash" around when you cut and
> paste??
>
It's free?
>> If you use an editor at all, these validation tools are very helpful
>> with cleaning up the code and finding errors. That is what they try
>> to do, help non-experts.
>
> I see, so you start with an even worse tool and then clean up the trash
> it produced with CSE Validator. I suppose life is too simple for you.
> You must be quite an expert to be able to produce anything at all with
> such an approach.
>
I'm no expert at all at web based composition. I have a useful enough page
out there though.
>> It certainly isn't a nefarious attempt at anything. If your skills
>> are at the level where you don't need their help, swell...
>
> Where did you get the idea that it requires _less skill_ to use editors
> that insert trash and the CSE Validator? This is a serious question.
Well, I only have basic knowledge of HTML, less of CSS, none on PHP, very
little on java, etc etc. I get along well enough to put a useful site up
that is becoming more and more popular. You wanna clean it up for me? For
free of course. I'll take any help I can get.
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