|  | Posted by dorayme on 08/16/07 00:08 
In article <1187175882.819592.260520@i13g2000prf.googlegroups.com>,
 Chaddy2222 <spamlovermailbox-sicurity@yahoo.com.au> wrote:
 
 > On Aug 15, 8:08 pm, dorayme <doraymeRidT...@optusnet.com.au> wrote:
 
 > > This whole thing is a dog's breakfast and there are no magic
 > > bullets.
 > >
 > > It is not the business of an association of mechanical workshops
 > > to recommend ways to the public to home repair a car. It is
 > > unlikely to be anything they have enough interest in to make
 > > sensible and general recommendations for all folk, all cars and
 > > so on. I completely distrust almost every optimistic statement
 > > any one here makes about this matter. I have seen too many folks
 > > struggle and if they use Frontrage, if they use Dreamweavil or
 > > any of the many programs or facilities, I wish them the best of
 > > luck. That is the best we can do, wish them the best. I now raise
 > > my glass, it is a 2001 Cabernet, and not too bad, to you Andy.
 > >
 > Yes, but in contrast,  people who work on their own cars at home will
 > more then not go and find out WTF they need to do (what's involved)
 > before building something.
 
 In a culture where it is possible for people to fix their own,
 where advice is all around, father, older brother, uncle, mate,
 some good, some bad, where things are doable up to a point, it is
 still not the case that the car companies or auto associations
 will be expert in practical advice to the dyi wannabe. Getting
 info and practical advice means a bit of running around and
 giving it a go and seeing, learning from mistakes and so on. It
 is a completely false picture you have of the culture of people
 fixing their own (when they did), they do not go out and find out
 wtf to do like to the standard of a motor association. It does
 not happen. I know. You want pictures of cars being repaired in
 Sydney streets? You want to see my own car being bush backyard
 panel beaten after some mug truck wiped the side in while it was
 parked? You would not be fantasising about standards too much
 then, that is for sure. You might be appalled! I was appalled. I
 am always appalled and fascinated by how I keep my 36 year old
 rust bucket on the road.
 
 > People that design websites *who are not
 > web designers*  don't tend to do that (they just slap something up on
 > the net) without even checking if it works properly. They know nothing
 > about useability accessibility and some  don't even know what HTML
 > even is!.
 
 There is a whole range of folks making their own and this is a
 ridiculous caricature that will certainly curry favour here. But
 that is all it will do.
 
 (Look behind analogies, Chad, don't take them too literally...
 The main point is that no one here knows shit about ordinary
 earthlings. They are all martians... at least that is my latest
 theory. I thought talking to you might calm me a little but no...
 Where is that Travis, I need to vent things on someone who more
 richly deserves it than you...)
 
 --
 dorayme
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