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Posted by Steve on 09/18/07 23:01
"Jerry Stuckle" <jstucklex@attglobal.net> wrote in message
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> Steve wrote:
>> "Jerry Stuckle" <jstucklex@attglobal.net> wrote in message
>> news:jtOdnUMcBZMYY3LbnZ2dnUVZ_vzinZ2d@comcast.com...
>>> Sanders Kaufman wrote:
>>>> Jerry Stuckle wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> The first amendment had to do with TOLERANCE. You worship your way
>>>>> and I worship mine. You don't try to tell me what I can and cannot
>>>>> do, and I don't try to tell you the same.
>>>> The Constitution also only counted black people as 3/5 of a human.
>>>>
>>>> The genius of the constitution is that it's ammendable, and the Bill of
>>>> Rights is just a bunch of ammendments - which can be repealed.
>>>>
>>>> It's time to let our tolerance of religious extremism go the way of our
>>>> tolerance of slavery.
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> If 9/11 taught us nothing else, it's that religious zealots are
>>>> /everybody's/ mortal enemy.
>>> I agree. It's time to let our tolerance of those who won't let others
>>> practice their own religion go the way of our tolerance of slavery.
>>
>> but atheism is on the fence. it is a religion...but not. so therefore,
>> let's say they have substandard morals and tell them to fuck off when
>> they say seperation of church and state and want religious dogma removed
>> from public places and want prayer out of schools. yeah, they don't
>> count. tolerance only goes to 'full-blooded' 'american' religions.
>>
>> lol.
>
> I never said atheists had substandard morals. I said I am more
> comfortable that someone who shares my religion has similar morals.
>
> Nothing more, nothing less.
>
> And the 1st Amendment states: "Congress shall make no law respecting an
> establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; ..."
>
> Additionally, the 14th Amendment states: "...No State shall make or
> enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of
> citizens of the United States;..."
>
> There is nothing in there about the "separation of Church and State". Nor
> is there anything stating the 10 Commandments (or anything else with
> religious connotations) cannot be displayed in a public building
well, apparently you don't study history. in all your searching, you just
skipped the obvious...the FIRST ammendment, part of the bill of rights. look
up the "establishment clause". from jefferson's letter to a baptist
congregation that described the clause as a "wall of seperation", we have an
entire embrace of that notion from the supreme court, to presidents, to
those other "supposedly christian" founding fathers. it echos not only in
this country but in others by other terms like disestablishmentarianism to
pluralism and the like.
since you seem to avoid reading anything not related to php or the babble,
that breaks down to "government sponsorship of any religion, bad",
"preventing someone from practicing their own religion, bad too".
school is now over. i can certainly suggest many more good historical reads.
i already mentioned the federalist papers, but i could throw in the
religious leaders' writing that affirmed the notions that religions need no
help of the government to advance themselves...even to the point where the
governmental support thereof is a detriment. but hell, we haven't even
gotten into laissez-fair...which has nothing to do with lilith fair. and no,
it's not just about economics.
> There is a minority of atheists out there who want to stop me and anyone
> else with a professed belief in a god from practicing our religion.
we may want to shake your skull and say, hello, is anyone in there...but
alas, no, we couldn't care less what you believe or how you practice it.
we're just touchy about the state-religion-sponsorship-thingy that you
simply don't get - not the current problems, not the importance of
seperation, nor the history that went into our well documented need and
desire to have, in our government at least, the seperation of church and
state.
> That right there is against both the intent and the wording of the 1st
> Amendment.
what right there? the establishment clause is the compliment to the fact
that the government should not, likewise, infringe on your right to practice
your religion. you just forgot what the establishment part of that
ammendment says.
;^)
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