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Posted by Tim Streater on 09/28/07 14:02
In article <aZKdneyFD7odb2HbnZ2dnUVZ_s-pnZ2d@comcast.com>,
Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> wrote:
> Onideus Mad Hatter wrote:
> > On Fri, 28 Sep 2007 07:21:31 -0400, Jerry Stuckle
> > <jstucklex@attglobal.net> wrote:
> >
> >> As long as you know that many users (current estimate about 10%) run
> >> with JS turned off. And even if it's on, anything supplied by the
> >> browser (i.e referer, browser/system info, etc.) is questionable.
> >
> > Actually current estimates are below 4% (and dropping 2% every six
> > months) and really, none of my sites, like nearly EVERY site these
> > days will work without javascript. In some cases I'll have them
> > retard back to a plain text version of the site if
> > javascript/flash/etc has been disabled, but that's about all the
> > effort I'm willing to invest for the Amish of the Internet.
> >
>
> Not from any reliable source I've seen. 10% and rising. Too many
> popups and lots of other things. It's not the Amish - it's the smart
> people who know how to turn off javascript who do it.
>
> Javascript should always be used to enhance the experience - but never
> be required for the experience.
>
> > Essentially your concern is that people without computers won't be
> > able to see my site. And my response is, "No, really?! Who the fuck
> > woulda guessed?"
> >
>
> Bullshit. But if you want to turn away 10% of all internet users (and
> the business they bring), it's your loss, not mine. Or at least I
> *hope* it's your loss, and not some client who doesn't have a clue.
>
> > I mean you don't go bitching to a car manufacturer that his product
> > isn't going to sell very well to the Amish. Of course it's not gonna
> > fuckin sell to 'em, THEY'RE AMISH! What the fuck man, what are you
> > Captain Jesus Raping Obvious?
> >
>
> You really have no clue, do you?
>
> > --
> >
> > Onideus Mad Hatter
> > mhm Ή x Ή
> > http://www.backwater-productions.net
> > http://www.backwater-productions.net/hatter-blog
> >
Almost none of my pages will work without javascript being enabled. And
if the users encounter a problem, they have my phone number and e-mail
address. Why? Because this is a service to a closed group of our
customer engineers.
You shouldn't assume that all web sites are available to all internet
users.
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