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Posted by Steve on 09/28/07 14:29
"Tim Streater" <tim.streater@dante.org.uk> wrote in message
news:tim.streater-D02A8E.15020728092007@news.individual.net...
> In article <aZKdneyFD7odb2HbnZ2dnUVZ_s-pnZ2d@comcast.com>,
> Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> wrote:
>
>> Onideus Mad Hatter wrote:
>> > On Fri, 28 Sep 2007 07:21:31 -0400, Jerry Stuckle
>> > <jstucklex@attglobal.net> wrote:
>> >
>> >> As long as you know that many users (current estimate about 10%) run
>> >> with JS turned off. And even if it's on, anything supplied by the
>> >> browser (i.e referer, browser/system info, etc.) is questionable.
>> >
>> > Actually current estimates are below 4% (and dropping 2% every six
>> > months) and really, none of my sites, like nearly EVERY site these
>> > days will work without javascript. In some cases I'll have them
>> > retard back to a plain text version of the site if
>> > javascript/flash/etc has been disabled, but that's about all the
>> > effort I'm willing to invest for the Amish of the Internet.
>> >
>>
>> Not from any reliable source I've seen. 10% and rising. Too many
>> popups and lots of other things. It's not the Amish - it's the smart
>> people who know how to turn off javascript who do it.
>>
>> Javascript should always be used to enhance the experience - but never
>> be required for the experience.
>>
>> > Essentially your concern is that people without computers won't be
>> > able to see my site. And my response is, "No, really?! Who the fuck
>> > woulda guessed?"
>> >
>>
>> Bullshit. But if you want to turn away 10% of all internet users (and
>> the business they bring), it's your loss, not mine. Or at least I
>> *hope* it's your loss, and not some client who doesn't have a clue.
>>
>> > I mean you don't go bitching to a car manufacturer that his product
>> > isn't going to sell very well to the Amish. Of course it's not gonna
>> > fuckin sell to 'em, THEY'RE AMISH! What the fuck man, what are you
>> > Captain Jesus Raping Obvious?
>> >
>>
>> You really have no clue, do you?
>>
>> > --
>> >
>> > Onideus Mad Hatter
>> > mhm Ή x Ή
>> > http://www.backwater-productions.net
>> > http://www.backwater-productions.net/hatter-blog
>> >
>
> Almost none of my pages will work without javascript being enabled. And
> if the users encounter a problem, they have my phone number and e-mail
> address. Why? Because this is a service to a closed group of our
> customer engineers.
well. you can certainly dictate just about everything to a 'closed group',
can't you.
> You shouldn't assume that all web sites are available to all internet
> users.
he didn't. since nothing was said about the venue and since the internet is
usually put in the context of 'open to the public', he made statements to
that context.
get off your high-horse, cad.
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