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Re: To table or not to table?

Posted by John Hosking on 10/03/07 10:23

BootNic wrote:
>
> In my 100% table example it's the body that scrolls in most browsers,
> same difference I suppose.
>
> For Firefox and Seamonkey all one has to do is tab about until the body
> has focus. Once the body has focus you can scroll all you like with the
> keyboard.

Oh, well, that does work. <sarcasm>And it's so intuitive.</sarcasm> Too
bad I can't click on the body to give it focus. I'd actually thought to
try *that*. Unfortunately, you've quite rudely gone and placed content
on top of the body. ;-)

>
> Although I really think this issue is about the scrolling, at least in my
> example, is not an accessibility issue, but rather a UA issue that has
> very limited keyboard shortcuts and perhaps a lack of knowledge or
> willingness to use of them.

I'm worried that the word "accessibility" has come to be a code word to
mean "bending over backwards for those few, poor gimps." Isn't
accessibility really the question of whether *anybody* can access some
resource?

Making navigation JS-dependent makes a site inaccessible to those
without JavaScript (turned on). A page for Canadian citizens on how to
get a passport is not accessible to (pure) francophones if it's only in
English and has no link to French content.

IMDb.com uses a JS don't-copy-our-content-by-right-clicking mechanism,
so when I see an uncaptioned picture and try to see the alt text,
nothing happens. I can use the Web Developer toolbar, though, to turn on
"Display Alt Attributes", or I can turn JS off, or I can scan the
source, so I *can* get to the info, but it's basically an accessibilty
issue as soon as it becomes more difficult than necessary to get to it.

I think my argument is leading to the conclusion that your page lacks
accessibility (a cumbersome phrase, to be sure, but "is inaccessible" is
also misleading, and "has accessibility issues" is even longer). Yes,
the scrollbars are there when appropriate, and they work for me without
any problem. But my finger's right next to the _scrollwheel_, and my
cursor is way over _here_, while your scrollbars are way over _there_.

IYSWIM.


--
John
Pondering the value of the UIP: http://improve-usenet.org/

 

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