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Posted by Chaddy2222 on 11/06/07 16:26
On Nov 7, 3:00 am, "Jonathan N. Little" <lws4...@centralva.net> wrote:
> Chaddy2222 wrote:
> > On Nov 7, 2:07 am, Ed Jensen <ejen...@visi.com> wrote:
> >> Chaddy2222 <spamlovermailbox-sicur...@yahoo.com.au> wrote:
> >>>> If almost everyone is getting their CSS based layouts wrong, something
> >>>> is probably wrong with CSS based layout technology in general.
> >>> Nah I think you will find it's the designer. My main site at:
> >>>http://freewebdesign.awardspace.bizshouldre size if the font size is
> >>> increased.
> >> Yours works correctly. Nice job. :)
>
> > Thanks.
>
> >> Of course, all that proves to me is that you're exceptionally good at
> >> designing web pages. I don't think it changes my opinion that CSS is
> >> somehow too complex (...or something...) since most people get it
> >> wrong.
> > I think what you perhaps don't realise is that a number of web
> > designers are just graphic design hacks!.
> > They treat the web like it is one large JPG, they try and fix
> > everything in the one spot, kind of like what you would get on a
> > printed page.
>
> I can agree with that. It really is not too difficult to design a site
> that is flexible for the web, but you do have to design with the
> flexible in mind. Many just approach from the wrong direction. They have
> the mistaken concept that stylish creative design == pixel-perfect fixed
> design.
>
That is quite true, just look at all the Flash only sites.
> Part of the problem is folks started (or learned from sites referencing)
> a time when the table-hack was the only way to go. Note I said "hack",
> because that is just what is was, a hack to extend the limits of HTML in
> the emerging field of web design. All the pervasive use that
> OS-component-that pretends-to-be-a-web-browser that has such poor and|or
> buggy CSS support does not help the situation.
>
Oy! I still use tables for some layout *(limited things though pics
mainly) and I am useing IE6 at the moment.
> > In other words, they simply do not understand the media they are
> > working with.
> > It takes a lot of work to get a site to work correctly in a range of
> > browsers and browsing environments and some people just plainly fail
> > to recognise this.
>
> That's why we get all these requests for "What is the best WYSIWYG
> editors?" or "I don't know anything about HTML or CSS (and don't what to
> learn) and want to create the best dynamic website, how can I?" That
> last one is not an exaggeration. We get posting like it all the time. It
> not too difficult to built a simple modest site for a newbie with HTML,
> CSS and notepad. It will take some effort! To do large, complicated,
> creative sites does require investment in learning the trade. How
> ridiculous to think otherwise? It would be like saying "I want to build
> a grand home, but I do not know, nor do I want to learn carpentry, how
> do I do it?" I would say to both, "Hire someone who does know how"
>
Exactly.
Why do you think I started the Free Web Design Online project a few
years ago? too many volonteers designing sites for non profits without
a clue of what they were doing!.
So hopefully i'll be able to help a few of them out.
BTW I now have proper hosting and a domain name.
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Free Web Design Online re-launching soon @ freewebdesignonline.org
http://freewebdesign.awardspace.biz
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