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Posted by Jonathan N. Little on 11/22/07 19:29
Bone Ur wrote:
> Well bust mah britches and call me cheeky, on Thu, 22 Nov 2007 14:28:09
> GMT Jonathan N. Little scribed:
>
>> Bone Ur wrote:
>>
>>> Firefox is my default browser, and I like it best. It does have some
>>> flaws - they all do - but for me, the "user experience" <grin> is the
>>> most pleasing of the lot. Furthermore, get this. I tried ie7 a bit
>>> after it came out. True, it supports "the standards" considerably
>>> better than does ie6, but I still switched right back to 6 because of
>>> the other stuff they "neglected" (-like the crappy toolbar,
>> "crappy toolbar"? What do you mean, vs IE6? II personally don't like
>> the FF default and the first thing I do is drag off the Google Search
>> box to clear some space for the Webdeveloper's Bar toggle button and
>> at the Enhanced History Manager and Enhanced Bookmark Search buttons.
>> Not sure what IE6 has that was so handy.
>
> It's what it doesn't have. I trim my ie6 toolbar down to 1 line as I do
> in Firefox, but ie6 takes the prize as being the thinnest, thereby
> maximizing content space.
So you mean IE6 has a thinner toolbar than FF? Not with mine, even with
small icons and no text IE6's toolbar is taller than FF's. Maybe it is
the theme that you are using. I am currently using Cute 3.3.1. Do you
have Use small icons and show icons (only) in customize for the toolbar?
> You may be able to add crap in ie7, but
> removing it is a different matter. And, btw, what's with the
> "misplaced" refresh button? -Another "wonderful" MS innovation?
Oh yeah! IE7 sucks! You can't even drag the refresh button in front of
the address bar, Big Bill must have made the decree! And this new UI
crap, the little helper buttons way over on the right but someone
decided to hide "Help" off-screen! (Not I need it but do you think that
is a great idea for newbies?)
Damn Apple! Yeah I blame Macs, I think MS started believing those "MAC
PC" commercials and started putting priority on eye-candy over
functionality and efficiency!
>>> no ftp, and more minor but
>>> irritating imperfections.)
>> No FTP? Of course because most folks won't need it and FF basic
>> strategy is an "a-la-cart" browser and you are suppose to add what you
>> wish via extensions:
>>
>> https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/search?q=FTP&status=4
>> Search Add-ons :: Firefox Add-ons
>>
>> I think FireFTP the better extension, there is even an extension to
>> add a toolbar button for it.
>
> I was comparing ie6 to ie7, not either to Firefox. FF is my main
> browser, but I still use ie6 for various functions not limited to
> testing. The drag-and-drop folder-view ftp is great.
What other way is there?
>
>>> Between the two, I will and do stick with ie6.
>>> Happily, Opera seems to be making key improvements with each update.
>>> It still has a few operational quirks, but I think eventually it will
>>> be a top-flight browser. On the down side, I doubt if any browser
>>> will _ever_ be perfect so we'll just have to keep on making hacks for
>>> inter-operational accordance.
>>>
>> Funny, I never felt IE6 very customizable and I never like the idea
>> that it intensionally blurred the lines between what is local to my
>> system and what is not.
>>
>> SeaMonkey is my default because I like the suite concept, but I
>> develop on Firefox.
>>
>> Opera, which I have 3 versions 7-9 for testing has minor but really
>> annoying "features" that keep if from my default.
>
> Agreed. I use SeaMonkey, too, but wish Mozilla would update its
> "preferences" addressing to the "tools" menu item where it belongs.
> Also, I like Opera's "Quick Preferences" idea for on-the-fly changes (but
> it _does_ have some issues elsewhere.)
Legacy, you know that on Linux in Firefox's setting are under "Edit >
Preferences" too.
>
>> The most irritating
>> is the inability to drag a URL to another browser, nor receive one
>> from another browser. Even as uncooperative as MS can be I can drag a
>> URL from Firefox to IE from IE to SeaMonkey or to Netscape and back.
>> While developing I will have several browsers open and Opera just
>> refuses to play ball. Yes, I can select and copy the address and paste
>> it into the address bar, or drag the URL to the desktop and then drag
>> the shortcut to Opera, but not browser to browser. Dang it all other
>> browser can do it, what's up with Opera?
>
> Well, I actually never tried that. Ya sure you're not just being
> doraymeish in your expectations? True, if it can be done with other
> browsers, it probably should be available in Opera, but it's such a
> trifling little thing one would expect to be out of the realm of things
> which can make a grown man cry...
>
Well I did say is was small, but irritating because it is something that
I do often. I'll have server different browsers open when I am
finalizing a design and it is just so ease to drag and drop the current
page to test and compare...
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Take care,
Jonathan
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