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Posted by The Natural Philosopher on 12/21/07 18:44
Steve wrote:
> "The Natural Philosopher" <a@b.c> wrote in message
> news:1198242584.19935.1@proxy00.news.clara.net...
>> Rozzy wrote:
>>> WORST THREAD EVER, shall I talk about my religious views on php to at
>>> least keep this thread relevant to the group :P
>> Your choice really. Unless you ascribe to a religion that forces your
>> choices along one single line.. ;-)
>
> and the notion of 'free will' would be non-existent for those. :)
>
> btw, here's a question for you...i define free will not as having options,
> but knowing one has option from which to choose. bible scholars claim god
> gives free will. i say he perhaps created options - if i aside my distain
> for the premise due to lack of evidence. satan, having tempted adam and eve,
> would have actually been the one who gives free will. once he got adam and
> eve to eat from the tree of knowlege of good and evil, they'd have then
> known that there were options from which to choose. it seems that god,
> forbidding them from eating said fruit, didn't want adam and eve to have
> such knowledge. further, if you were to argue that it was just knowlege of
> 'good' and 'evil', why would god create such a tree and put them in harm's
> way of it. finally, i wonder by what genetic mechanism said knowlege
> corrupts their decendants. surely we'll find that gene and save ourselves
> eventually by just turning it off...ROFL.
>
>
Ah well..All very good questions and just what we use to come up with to
confabulate the Chaplain, before we got bored - it being a shade to easy
really.
FWIW the way I read that myth is that once upon a time, man was happy
dumb, and that was that.
Oner day he suddenly had a Cartesian moment and said "I think, therefore
I am!" and that was the original sin..in that moment he ceased to be a
happy dumb SOB and started peering aroind him and 'figuring things out'.
In short he started imagining things that weren't actually there right
now, but MIGHT be.
The myth is there to remind us that this is only a temporary condition:
If we brainwash ourslves, or fast for like 40 days and nights, or whip
ourselves insensible in a monastic cell whilst not actually eating
anything and wearing hair shirts to make sure we are utterly distracted,
or if we prefer, sit in a corner saying 'aum' for 24 hours a day,
eventually we will forget to think, and return to the blessed states of
ignorance, known as 'Heaven' 'nirvana' or 'enlightenment'.
In my youth it was claimed that a couple of puffs of DMT would do the
same thing in 5 minutes with a lot less hassle, so naturally it was made
illegal. A person I know claims to have done both, and reports 'it is
essentially the same thing, man'
Finally,. those that have - for whatever reason, done this, report that
its very like dying and being born again, insofar as they can remember
the first time.
So the shaman priests who developed the techniques talk airily about
death and resurrection, life after death and reincarnation and the like.
And the dumb shmucks who lap this crap up take it all in completely the
wrong way, and here we all are.
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