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Posted by Jeff on 01/25/08 23:38
Neredbojias wrote:
> Well bust mah britches and call me cheeky, on Fri, 25 Jan 2008 17:07:39
> GMT Jeff scribed:
>
>>>>>> You can be as self-righteous as you want. You can advise against
>>>>>> something all day, but if the client wants it and it's legal, give
>>>>>> it to him or be prepared to lose the business.
>>>>> There is no disagreement with that statement. The discussion is
>>>>> about whether to do it regardless for other reasons, and legal is
>>>>> not always ethical or just.
>>>>>
>>>>>> Anyone who has any kind of business sense knows that it's cheaper
>>>>>> and easier to keep a customer than find a new one.
>>>>> How profound. But how cheap do you sell yourself to keep that
>>> customer?
>>>> Just how high and mighty do you think you are?
>>> 5'8", 155lbs. of pure piss-powered man-meat. Hell, I could tie
>>> Schwarzeneggar in a knot before he had time to move if I hit him
>>> below the belt.
>> 6'6" 225lbs.
>
> Ho, a big 'un! How's the weather up thare?
I think the old line is I'll spit in your eye and you'll know it's
raining up here.
>
>>>> This whole thread is about background music on one of the pages of
>>>> one of my clients.
>>> Not exactly, but in any case my reply was to a message about giving
>>> the client what he wants.
>> No, you were proselytizing when it was specifically requested that
>> you
>> stay on the sidelines unless you had something technical to
>> contribute.
>
> Proselytizing isn't illegal, and in this case, my client (me) wanted to
> do it. Furthermore, professing one's beliefs isn't detrimental to
> humanity when those beliefs are true and valid.
>
>>>> That's a little cheesy, but it hardly means I've sold
>>>> myself cheaply. Now, I've listened to that music I resisted, and
>>>> I've come to the conclusion that if it makes my client and her
>>>> visitors happy (it's a metaphysical type site) than why not.
>>> Because as I implied and Harlan Messinger stated more directly, there
>>> are other considerations. However, it doesn't mean you "sold
>>> yourself cheaply", either. I was speaking in general terms with
>>> that.
>> Just leave it be. Does this always have to degenerate into
>> personality conflicts?
>
> What personality conflict? Do you believe that your personality is in
> conflict with my personality?
Well, no.
That can hardly be true because you don't
> even know me well. However, I know you well enough to see that you seem
> to grasp onto the nearest trite cliche, slogan, or dogma to express
> yourself.
>
>>>> Why should she, her
>>>> clients, or myself care if you want to throw a righteous hissy fit.
>>> Perhaps one or more of them are members of Hissy Fittists Anonymous.
>>> Who knows?
>> Call it what you may. But don't you see how this drives people away
>> from an html group when they get more attitude than answers? All the
>> longest threads are like that.
>
> Sure, that's pretty accurate. But their expectations of a helpdesk are
> rather unrealistic, anyway, and as I said before, the answerers are here
> for reasons of their own as well. I enjoy helping people sometimes but
> I'm not going to kiss their asses to do it and I am going to express my
> opinions as I, not they, see fit. If they don't like it, let them take a
> hike.
I really don't have a problem with that. I read a few technical
groups and it's expected for people to research before they post. Taking
OPs down that don't is fair game.
>
>> We all know where each other is coming
>> from, it's not like we're covering new ground.
>>
>> There's a few authoring and design issues I'd like to discuss, but
>> it's hard breaking any new ground when you are treated like a heretic.
>> I'd rather save the energy.
>
> As big as you are physically, you sound rather weak in spirit.
>
>> Perhaps I just don't have the patience for this anymore.
>
> Perhaps. Or perhaps you're just tired of the bullshit.
Mostly. I've got a lot to do and don't have the time for this. Surely,
you've bee there?
Maybe you're
> getting old, too. (Look at what happened to Blinky.) Btw, you shrink
> when you age if you haven't already noticed.
Jeff
>
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