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Posted by asdf on 10/01/65 12:01
"dorayme" <doraymeRidThis@optusnet.com.au> wrote in message
news:doraymeRidThis-DB8AF1.07145029012008@news-vip.optusnet.com.au...
> In article
> <479d5742$0$9730$5a62ac22@per-qv1-newsreader-01.iinet.net.au>,
> "asdf" <asdf@asdf.com> wrote:
>
>>
>> "dorayme" <doraymeRidThis@optusnet.com.au> wrote in message
>> news:doraymeRidThis-F70554.14321028012008@news-vip.optusnet.com.au...
>> > In article
>> > <479d4601$0$10796$5a62ac22@per-qv1-newsreader-01.iinet.net.au>,
>> > "asdf" <asdf@asdf.com> wrote:
>> >
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>> >> In my own case, as a producer AND consumer of web designs, I prefer
>> >> that
>> >> the
>> >> design *enhances* and *emphasises* the content,
>> >
>> > I can see it is not going to be easy to get my idea across. You
>> > talk of a design enhancing and emphasising the content as if the
>> > design is something like a deodorant spray or an inessential coat
>> > of paint in the dunny.
>> >
>>
>> Then you missed the point. The 'design' is an intrinsically essential
>> part
>> of communicating the message. Content PLUS presentation is the message.
>>
>
> If it is an intrinsic part of the product, what distinguishes it
> from the engineering of the product? Some folk here have been
> trying, as far as I can see, to put space between function and
> art and I have been intent on criticising this space and reducing
> it. Your comment that design features amount to functional
> features puzzle me or simply seem to me to concede the point that
> there is no space worth talking about. But I may be
> misunderstanding you?
>
Indeed you did.
I made no comment to that effect. What I said was that (in the sphere of web
design) "Content PLUS presentation is the message".
If you see that there is a "space" between form and function, then I think
perhaps that is where your problem may lie. Surely it is the job of the
designer to reduce this "space". This is, after all, what a good designer
does... designs products that achieve the desired outcomes with the
available materials.
This is old, old ground now... The 'design' of the product is a description
of how the product should look, how a product should function, how a product
has an emotional impact upon the user, how a product interacts with it's
physical space.
The 'engineering' of a product is working out how to achieve all of the
above, to design a *process* or *technique* as to how to make the vision of
the product a reality.
Sometimes the engineer will also be the designer, sometimes the designer
will also be the engineer. No matter... conceptually the two things are
quite clearly distinct.
BOTH activities together go to make the finished product.
I concede that there may (depending on the project) be considerable overlap
between the two. The two activities are not mutually exclusive in their
areas of responsibility
>
>> > Before you point out that the enhancements and emphasising bits
>> > could be left off, let me point out that so too can anything be
>> > left off. That does not make it a non functional part. It makes
>> > it a lousier website page than it need be. It is less useful, it
>> > does not work as well. It is not as fine a product.
>> >
>>
>> Then we seem to agree.
>
>
> Well, ok. perhaps you and I can be happy then about it at this
> point.
>
I'm not unhappy :) Whatever gave you that idea??
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