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Posted by cwdjrxyz@yahoo.com on 11/13/74 11:26
Alan J. Flavell wrote:
> On Sat, 10 Sep 2005, cwdjrxyz@yahoo.com wrote:
> > There is no problem with recent versions of Opera, Mozilla, Netscape,
> > Firefox, IE6, MyIE2, MSN9, and another two more obscure browsers for
> > which I have been sent screen shops.
>
> What a silly attitude to take! Content-type negotiation has already been
> implementated to specification[1] e.g in Apache; it's absurd to launch
> this kind of half-witted implementation on the web, that only works on a
> few known browsers (don't you know any other kinds of client agents, by
> the way?).
>
> [1] with a few minor tweaks to iron out some practical glitches.
The Konqueror 3.3 on Linux Debian and the Safari 2.0 on Mac OSX also
would handle true xhtml served as application/xhtml+xml according to
screen shots someone made for me. I am quite aware that there are
thousands of browsers that one can often still download at some of the
antique browsers sites. Of course many of these were never designed to
work on the modern web. There is no way under the sun that you can be
viewed by every antique browser or computer that someone may pull out
of their closet. Also many having older versions of still used browsers
may have a much larger problem than not being able to view some modern
pages - namely security. Even several fairly recent Mozilla family and
Opera browsers were replaced with a new version of browser - not just
an add-on fix. I am told there are several security issuses with some
of the old NN 4+ series. We likely seldom hear of hacks to these
browsers because bragging about hacking an old browser probably would
get as little respect from IE6 hackers as bragging about robbing a
bubble gum machine would get from bank robbers.
In any event I am happy if my newer pages are viewed either as xhtml or
html by most browsers now used on the web. I don't know where you live,
but in the US you can not use much of the web with the old generation 4
browsers. Nearly everyone who uses major credit card, bank, and many
business pages has been forced to update to a recent browser. I can not
get into the host of my domain without a recent browser that has both
javascript and Java turned on. My bank requires one of the most recent
browsers with both javascript and Java turned on. To sign into a Yahoo
mail account now, a generation 4 browser is forced to either upgrade to
a new generation browser or select to revert back to a version of the
site for the old browser. You get this message everytime you sign in as
they want to force everyone to update. From both the standpoint of
keeping up with modern code and security, it is a pity that browsers do
not expire at least once a year and have to sign in to be reactivated
or upgraded, if needed. After all, most browsers are free. From
statistics I have seen, if you can be seen by recent IE, the 3 Mozilla
family ones, Opera, and perhaps Safari browsers, that includes all
browsers that represent over 1 % each of the browsers in use. Of course
there may be isolated regions of the world while some browsers are more
important than the world average. Opera likely is more important in
parts of Europe. Of course there are unfortunately still many sites in
the US and elsewhere that go to the other extreme and write pages only
for IE that may or may not work right on other current browsers.
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