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Posted by Covv Tse-tung on 09/28/05 22:41
In article <djrjj15438q3bkg51gq7saa0iiskdh5q8v@4ax.com>,
a6ahlyv02@sneakemail.com says...
> On Tue, 27 Sep 2005 16:51:44 -0700, Covv Tse-tung
> <ChairmanCovv@hotmail.com> got double secret probation because:
>
> >In article <2oijj1pif4hpejuldb4s5of5h1f7gu13d3@4ax.com>,
> >a6ahlyv02@sneakemail.com says...
> >> On Tue, 27 Sep 2005 15:17:05 -0700, Covv Tse-tung
> >> <ChairmanCovv@hotmail.com> got double secret probation because:
> >>
> >> >In article <ou9jj1129u71kjn5fdoh1jbdqdll6t1b3h@4ax.com>,
> >> >a6ahlyv02@sneakemail.com says...
> >> >> On Tue, 27 Sep 2005 11:47:19 -0700, Covv Tse-tung
> >> >> <ChairmanCovv@hotmail.com> transparently proposed:
> >> >>
> >> >> <sneck>
> >> >> >
> >> >> >The best BBQ sauce going, from Alabama by way of Oakland:
> >> >> >
> >> >> >http://www.super-que.com
> >> >> >
> >> >>
> >> >> Had that at Rosenblum Winery Wine Club open house in June. Pretty
> >> >> good. I like dry rubbed bbq rather than wet bbq. Back-Forty has some
> >> >> excellent sauces too.
> >> >>
> >> >> Best BBQ in the Bay is BO's BBQ in Lafayette. Dry, slow smoked. Even
> >> >> the bones are soft...
> >> >
> >> >Lafayette is a bit of a drive for me these days. I'm down
> >> >in Banana Slug country.
> >> >
> >> >Rosenblum, eh? You are a man who knows his wines. They're
> >> >one of the 'three R's'. I've got about 300 bottles in my
> >> >cellar, mostly Napa cabs of various stripes, along with
> >> >some classified growths, like '88 Margaux, '89 Lynch-Bages
> >> >and '90 Latour. I could get really crazy with it, but Type
> >> >II runs in my family, and I'd hate to have to donate a
> >> >thousand bottles to a charity auction...
> >>
> >> I am more of a Pinot Noir drinker (BR Cohn Pinot should be out, I NEED
> >> to road trip soon) but Rosenblum is close by (Alameda) so I can drop
> >> in to pick up my wines and sample a little. That and they do make some
> >> pretty tasty wines.
> >
> >I like their Zins, but tend not to cellar them. I do have
> >some of their '99 Mt Veeder Yates Ranch Reserve cab
> >downstairs, though.
> >
> >> The best Cab I have tasted in recent memory is the 2002 Baldacci
> >> "Brenda" Cabernet Sauvignon, just released and only by mail or at the
> >> winery. The Signorello "Padrone" is a close second.
> >
> >I'd say the '01 Paul Hobbs Stagecoach is my recent fave. I
> >picked up a bottle of the '02 Rudd to try, maybe Friday
> >nite. 95 points from Parker, for under a c-note.
>
> Robert Young 98 Scion probably has the best *breeding* of anything I
> own. But it is a few years away from drinking. With the limited
> storage I have there is not much opportunity to *cellar*.
What do you think of the Scion? I haven't had a chance to
try it. I've been enjoying chardonnays from their
vineyards since the early 80s - first the CSJ version, and
now their own.
I opened a bottle of the '01 Keenan 25th anniversary cab
last night. Spring Mtn fruit, 92 from Parker. Ready now,
with a couple hours in the decanter. Seemed light at
first, but grew on me very quickly. Downright lush, very
well integrated tannins. Not something I'd expect to hold
for years, but killer for the price ($35). I ordered a
half case this morning, mostly for Christmas gifts.
How long do you generally try to hold your wines? I
usually figure 10 years for Bordeaux, 5 for Napa cabs, and
3 for pinots and chardonnay. But I'm very fond of
decanting early in the afternoon, and I figure each hour in
the decanter is worth a year in the cellar.
>
> >
> >> Only recently have had the proper storage and available funds to start
> >> looking at the french wines. I have not purchased any, yet. I want to
> >> taste them first and finding a tasting of the first growth is a little
> >> hard.
> >
> >French wine is a different game. Each region in Bordeaux
> >has its own blend ratio, from almost pure cab in Paulliac
> >to 75/25 cab/merlot in Margaux to 50/50 in St Julien to a
> >heavy cab franc influence in St Emilion. If we had had
> >this conversation a week ago I would have sent you to where
> >I shop in San Jose - they just had a '01 Bordeaux tasting.
> >I bought pretty heavily into the '00s, and '03 futures. A
> >lot of the high end French wines also tend to close up for
> >years. Some of them you don't buy for yourself, you buy
> >for your grandkids.
>
> Well since I have no kids...
Since first growths are going for $300-500 a bottle these
days, I'm not even tempted. There are some really nice
Bordeaux around $50 or so that match up well with similarly
priced Napa wines, and will be in their prime after 5 to 10
years. Giscours, Clos L'Eglise, Lynch-Bages are a few of
my favorites. One thing to watch out for with French wines
- they vary much more in quality year to year than do Napa
wines. As does the price. 2000 was supposed to be the
best vintage in years, so prices went up accordinly -
Lynch-Bages was $125-150 IIRC. By contrast, 2001 was more
of a 'sleeper', and the wines are proving to be better than
expected, but not hyped. I can get bottles of the L-B for
about $60, and if there is a quality difference, its sure
as heck not sixty dollars worth, at least to my palate.
>
> >
> >And don't get me started on French pinots. Its easy to go
> >broke looking for one you like. I like a lot of the Oregon
> >pinots, as well as some of them from the central coast. I
> >tend to look more for the vineyard - Sleepy Hollow, Bien
> >Nacido, and Garys' are my favorites - then who bottled it.
> >Maybe the best US pinot I've had was one of Helen Turley's
> >Russian River wines.
>
> My preference is the Russion River Pinots. We have 17 acres ON the
> Willamette River in Oregon (my granddads place, my brother lives there
> now). Been trying to find someone that would like to plant some pinot
> for a 20 year lease and a few cases of the good stuff...
I had a chance to buy a place with a small vinyard when I
moved down here, but that's more work than I want to take
on right now. Hmmm. Last I saw, Ahlgren was up for sale
- they're about 10 miles further out Hwy 9. I think the
asking price is under 3M.
> >> I only have storage for about 100 bottles (currently full). I plan to
> >> get a much larger cooler as soon as my sister gets her "lovely" piece
> >> of furniture out of my dining room.
> >
> >A lot of the folks I know that have bought wine coolers
> >have had trouble with them. I'm lucky as the lower level
> >of my house is dug into the mountainside, so my 'cellar' is
> >a spare downstairs walk-in closet that's right again the
> >mtn, and it stays at about 60 degrees in there year round.
>
> I do my homework when I spend those kinds of dollars. But I have to
> have more storage and a cellar in CoCoCounty is a bad idea unless you
> spend a lot of money for very thick, very reinforced walls with the
> adobe clay down a couple feet. Shit gets wet and shoves then dries and
> sucks and the walls come down...
I'm about carved out of the bedrock (well, crappy
sandstone, but better than clay) so that's not a worry.
--
"Tis an ill wind that blows no minds"
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