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Posted by gil on 10/31/54 11:38
Gérard,
I wrote you a reply but somehow it got placed under Neredbojias response
instead of yours. Sorry.
I'll try a copy | paste below.
I did bottom post the message but added this top post in case copy-paste
didn't catch formatting correctly.
At approximately 2006/01/17 19:35, Gérard Talbot typed these characters:
> gil wrote :
>
>>
>>
>> At approximately 2006/01/16 08:04, Travis Newbury typed these
characters:
>>
>>> gil wrote:
>>>
>>>> I would like to have the user click on a thumb in a photo gallery to
>>>> view a larger image with a single line of text below it, AND a button
>>>> which would close the window.
>>>> Is there any way this can be done inline with <a ref...>?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Yes, call a different HTML page that displays the image and has the
>>> button.
>>>
>>>
>>>> Or is there a
>>>> better option?.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Yea, you might not want to use a pop up window for this.
>>>
>>
>> I guess that there is no elegant way to code a link on a thumbnail to
>> display a pop up window with larger image and caption when activated.
>
>
> Gil, read again your original post. You'll see that 9 lines out of 13
> were about a close button. You got an answer on that, regarding that,
etc..
> Later, you explained more what you were looking to do. You failed to
> give more details on the overall picture of what you wanted to do. You
> put too much emphasis on that close button.
>
> For your information, more and more browser manufacturers are
> restricting more and more powers of script to play, to "toy with" the
> window object. If a script shouldn't open automatically a window, then
> why should it be able to close a window or bring it back on top, just
> like that?
>
> Mozilla 1.x, Firefox 1.x and Nestscape 7.x all allow users to neutralize
> windowRef.close() calls :
>
> dom.allow_scripts_to_close_windows
>
>
> Also, nowhere your idea was to reuse such secondary window, to recycle
> such secondary window into a customized resized window. In your own
> words, the script you had in mind was to create 99 secondary window
> which would have to be closed automatically if you had a 100 picture
> photo album: that's abusing user system resources in many ways. Nowhere
> in your post did you indicate a preference for reusing and recycling a
> single secondary window for your photo album purposes/goals.
>
>
>> Although no one said it couldn't be done,
>
>
> I say it can be done and I say I have done so *_many many months ago_*.
>
> Create a sub-window and dynamically DOM-insert an image
> http://www.gtalbot.org/DHTMLSection/DynamicInsertionDOMImageInPopup.html
> (although that demo may not be exactly what you need or want)
>
> Opening enlarged images of different dimensions into a single new
> separate window only one at a time
> http://www.gtalbot.org/DHTMLSection/EnlargeThumbnail.html
>
>
> the consensus is that I should
>
>> stick to the tried and true no risk method,
>
>
> For a photo album, a slideshow (like S5) is an acceptable solution as
> long as you cater for accessibility guidelines.
>
> and create a separate html
>
>> page for each larger image, with the caption text.
>
>
> You did not fully explain what exactly you were looking for to begin
> with: you did not at first give the overall picture of what you were
> trying to do. You initially/originally focused on that close button and
> then later brought up that blur, lost of focus trick to automatically
> close the window. That trick is definitely not recommendable because
> it's inflexible and it's not a logical response to what the user does. A
> window response should be normally adequate (or proportional if you
> want), appropriate to what the user's initial behavior, original action
> was. The users always associate a browser window response to his own
> behavior, action: losing/switching focus has nothing to do with closing
> a window.
>
> When you work on a document in a word/text application, switching to
> another application should not provoke the closing of your word/text
> application. That's true to any window/windowing environment and media
> application. David Massy and more and more MS-Windows/MSIE engineers
> agree and understand all this.
> Closing a window should be in direct response to an user action
> deliberately, specifically and explicitly in that sense.
>
>>
>> Seems like a lot of wasted space to have a full screen window display
>> a 4cm x 6cm large image with caption.
>
>
> Well, then a slideshow is a better alternative.
>
> Of course I could make the image
>
>> even larger now, if I didn't have to concern myself with the dial-up
>> download times of these images. (The images have been optimized to be
>> 5 to 15 kb each).
>>
>
> Well that's good. Image quality, reducing number of colors without
> reducing image quality and using .png (better compression) is the first
> thing to do with all and every images put on a site.
>
> "PNG also compresses better than GIF in almost every case (5% to 25% in
> typical cases)."
> GIF or PNG
> http://www.w3.org/QA/Tips/png-gif
>
>
>> In my mostly rural area, only about 30% have high-speed connections,
>> and my site is mainly for them. Download times do MATTER.
>>
>> Thanks for all of your help.
>> Gil
>
>
>
> More and more countries are setting standards and guidelines for
> reducing the size of webpages too, you know. On January 1st 2006, New
> Zealand government has made an accessibility law mandatory to comply
> with; one guideline/standard is to make webpage even accessible for
> connections of 14.4Kb modem and 9.6Kb modem, exactly because there too
> in rural areas there are people with slow connections.
>
> Gérard
> --
> remove blah to email me
Your ".../enlargethumbnail" is very close to what I wanted to do.
Presently, on my site, If the user clicked on another thumb, or anywhere
else in the main window, the pop up disappeared but did not close.
Instead it joined a growing number of relatives behind the main window.
and after a while there were quite a few open windows hidden there, if
I am not mistaken they consume resources.
With your method, a separate close button is not necessary to remind the
user to close the window as only one pop up window is open at any time.
Opening a 'second' window actually closes the first.
I can easily add the caption to the image with photo editing software
such as IrfanView.
Sorry I was not as clear as I could have been, I am still only a novice
and not familiar with the full range of options available within HTML, etc.
Is the javascript code free to use?
Gil
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