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Posted by David Segall on 02/11/06 13:25
Stan McCann <me@stanmccann.us> wrote:
>David Segall <david@nowhere.net> wrote in
>news:jj9pu155m4mk1scucjee84tkg9s38u3plv@4ax.com:
>
>> Stan McCann <me@stanmccann.us> wrote:
>
>>>Client side scripting is, and has always been a bad idea. If it
>>>were more limited on what it could do on someone elses computer, ok,
>>>but I don't want my window resized, I don't want you to take away
>>>all the buttons on the window that I am familiar with and know how
>>>to use so that you can put some buttons in place that I don't know
>>>how to use.
>>>
>>>Javascript is always off until I know what a page author wants to do
>>>with it (IF I bother to look or care).
>> Casual users do not need a rich client and there is usually no
>> justification in complicating a web application for them. However,
>> for sovereign applications the usual web interface is worse than
>> useless. Imagine spending all day using a spreadsheet program that
>> required a "Submit" every time you wanted to see your changes. Ajax
>> is just the current fashion in the attempt to merge the advantages
>> of web based applications with the features of desktop ones.
>
>The web is not an application. Nor do I want it to be as explained
>above. Do you really want every crappy programmer in the world running
>their crappy programs on your computer? I don't. I visit web pages
>for information and that doesn't usually have the need for instant
>feedback as with a desktop application that I have read about to know
>that it is relatively safe and I know what it is going to do before it
>does it.
Obviously I did not explain clearly what I meant. Ajax and alternative
technologies are not intended for _you_. All the sites you need to use
and who want you to visit will work with Javascript turned off.
A rich web client is necessary when users need to use a web based
application extensively for their day-to-day work. Have a look at
http://www.salesforce.com/. A large company could afford to install a
Customer Relationship Management system using, say, a virtual private
network and a thick client. Salesforce.com provides similar
performance using their servers and only a web browser installed on
the users machine. Similar applications are being developed for
in-house applications because the network is simpler to maintain and
they are much easier to deploy.
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