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Posted by Jerry Stuckle on 10/25/05 06:27
Ramon wrote:
> true what they say about old dogs not being able to learn new tricks, I
> see you have gottn quete worked up over ths issue, ok... IDEs are not
> for everyone. Keep training people to use TextPad and vi.
>
First of all, I learn a lot of "new tricks". As an instructor, I have
to know MORE than the students. And in the past few years I've learned
PHP, Javascript and Java. This is on top of my two main languages, C
and C++.
Second, it's not your position to tell me what my emotions are, and I
would appreciate it if you would refrain from doing to. I am not worked
up over this.
And, BTW, it has been scientifically proven you *can* teach an old dog
new tricks. They learn quite well.
> Infact you can do anything you like, talking to you is like talking to a
> brick wall, an old brick wall. To be honest I got better things to do.
>
Not in the least.
Your statement is that any programmer who doesn't use an IDE such as
ZEND isn't as productive as one who does.
My statement is that an IDE is NOT for everyone. Some people do even
better by not using one.
Let's see - you try to fit everyone into one mold. I try and make the
mold to fit each individual. Who's a brick wall?
> Infact this is exactly the same as when I asked about shared memory
> allocation I think you were also the first fag to jump in and proove
> that you know everything about anything. And that your 50 years
> experience gives you an edge some how. IT&T is moving way to quick for
> someone to go and claim just because they written code in assembler or
> something else prehistoric that they know better.
>
Could be. I am quite willing to correct misstatements by some new guy
who thinks he's an "expert".
> And for your argument that you are training people for so many years, I
> don't give a flying shit who you train. Not all my lecture's were good.
> And perhaps you are quete average as well. After all marketing does have
> a large roll in *selling* education.
>
And I don't give a flying shit what you think.
Let me clue you - training in the corporate world is MUCH different than
in a university. For instance - I have to fit the equivalent of a
semester into one week. That means teaching C, C++, or Java from the
ground up.
Every course has critiques of both the course material and the trainer.
And if I don't do a good job, they find someone else for the next course.
But I keep getting rehired.
> So I'll repeat, I've worked in the commerce sector, now I am in
> education my self. And all the people over the 10 years who I showed
> Zend. And statisticly I'm sure that some of those programmers would have
> been good. Have all had a positive response about Zend. And I'm sure are
> using it to this day.
>
Gee, you work for a community college? Or are you one of those "not so
good" lecturers?
> Anyway, my point is... if you are programming a PHP - with OO structure,
> obstraction layers. Zend is the way to go. That is all, you can argue
> until you are blue in the face that is not, I've used both approaches,
> and I can see the plain difference in department now. Right this second.
> Not 10-20 years ago. But Now.
>
It is ONE way to go. Not the ONLY WAY.
And btw - I really don't think much of anyone who can't be bothered to
follow newsgroup standards. One of the standards for this newsgoup does
NOT include top posting.
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