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Posted by Ramon on 10/11/14 11:30
You people are insane! You are saying pretty much the same thing in
different ways. But the manner in which you do it, would freaking bring
out the hostility in any saint. Sad.
Andrew DeFaria wrote:
> Jerry Stuckle wrote:
>
>> Andrew DeFaria wrote:
>>
>>> Jerry Stuckle wrote:
>>>
>>>> No, I don't refuse to explore them. They're there; they work OK.
>>>> But HTML still isn't as good as Windows help files.
>>>
>>> Really? How so? Tell me when you need to research some random odd
>>> topic do you use Google or do you use some sort of all inclusive
>>> Windows help file?
>>
>> Irrelevant. We're talking about documentation for a project, not some
>> "random odd topic".
>
> Not irrelevant. Google searching billions of pages - why more than
> whatever documentation you or I have ever produced - and does so quite
> well. The same can be applied to your own documentation...
>
>>> (Reminds me of the adage: When all you have is a hammer then every
>>> problem looks like a nail!)
>>
>> You said it. You're the one trying to force everyone to use an IDE!
>
> Boy you are really a moron aren't you? I suggest you go back and do a
> little research there bud. If you did I'm sure you would quickly find
> that it is not I who is trying to force anybody to using any IDE. I'm
> the guy who's against IDEs and I mentioned it last post. You, however
> didn't even read that or your comprehension skills are all shot. Let me
> make it clear *I DO NOT ENDORSE THE CONCEPT OF USING IDES - IN FACT I
> SAY THE OPPOSITE!!!* I'm not sure how much clearer I can be on this
> subject. Now that you've just proven that you are a moron wiggle out of
> that one!
>
>>>> I'm telling you HOW I WORK AND WHAT I USE. Unlike you, I AM NOT
>>>> TELLING YOU WHAT TO USE!
>>>
>>> I'm telling you how to play nice with others. If all you ever do is
>>> create code in isolation and never in a group use any damn thing you
>>> want. But when you have the attitude of "this is how I work - works
>>> for me - and who gives a rat's ass about my coworker who is working
>>> on the same app, needs the same documentation but doesn't use
>>> Windows" then I have a problem with it.
>>
>> And how is using a text editor not "playing nice with others"? Many
>> projects I've worked on use TextPad or something similar.
>
> Huh? Are you really this dense? If you produce MS only help files for
> your documented function calls then you have alienated anybody who
> doesn't use Windows. Is this concept really that difficult for you to
> grasp?!?
>
>> And when I say "This is how I work" - I mean this is how the projects
>> I manage work. Each person is free to use his/her favorite
>> editor/ide/whatever. I don't force a single IDE on anyone.
>
> Nor do I, even though you still haven't managed to understand that. We
> weren't talking about editors or IDEs for that matter. We were talking
> about your proprietary formated MS Help files...
>
>>>> You keep telling me I should be using IDE's, HTML help files, etc.
>>>> Wrong, wrong, wrong!
>>>
>>> Yes, wrong, wrong, wrong as in *you are wrong!!!* I didn't tell you
>>> do use an IDE. I'm the guy saying IDEs are not that good. Remember?
>>
>> The incompetent trying to force the more capable to conform.
>
> Dude you're just way off base here...
>
>>>> I use what is best for me and on my projects.
>>>
>>> Then you must work in isolation. But if you want to work with others
>>> you should at least show a little sensitivity to the fact that they
>>> have different requirements, needs and desires and you should strive
>>> to use technologies that benefit all equally.
>>
>> No, I've worked on some very large projects - 100+ programmers, for
>> instance.
>
> And not a single one of them used anything other than Windows? You sound
> like just another MS drone to me...
>
>>>> No, it's not "Windows tunnel vision". It's what *I* use. You use
>>>> whatever you want.
>>>
>>> Of course it's a Windows tunnel vision issue. You have be seduced by
>>> "It's my PC and I do what I want with it - others be damned". Hey I
>>> have no problem with that. Just that you might as well unplug from
>>> the network and go off to your corner with your machine and code your
>>> projects. Most of the rest of us want to participate in jointly
>>> developed, collaborative work. As such we need common ground not "you
>>> do it your way and I'll do it mine" (That is unless you can assure
>>> that both ways will work by using some common standard...)
>>
>> Not at all. It's the way the whole project works.
>
> Now who's forcing compliance?
>
>> Get with it. There are a lot of people in this world who are more
>> knowledgeable and competent than you. And a large percentage of those
>> people agree with me - use what works best for you.
>
> I'm all for using what works best for you. However when parts of what
> you are working on are shared by others, then to assume the mindset that
> everybody else works like you is just plain wrong. You do this when you
> admit to using Windows Help files which admittedly only work on Windows
> right? Ergo that shared documentation is not usable by anybody who
> doesn't use Windows. At this point that other person has two options:
> Either user Windows like you (i.e. break the rule of use what works best
> for him) or not be able to share that knowledge. The only other way out
> of that dilemma is if the documentation you produced is not intended for
> everybody - i.e. you are working in isolation. Which is it?
> --
> Music is the art which is most nigh to tears and memory. - Oscar Wilde
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