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Posted by Jerry Stuckle on 10/07/59 11:30
Andrew DeFaria wrote:
> Jerry Stuckle wrote:
>
>>
>> So? What does that have to do with the original topic - whether an
>> IDE is better than a text editor or not?
>
>
> It makes more of a team player when working on large projects with many
> people. IDEs make you think of your your own little environment, which
> then becomes specialized and only work in one very specific situation.
>
So you're saying IDE's are not the way to go? After all, they only work
in very specific situations. Text editors work in all situations.
>> But to respond to your comment. HTML help is fine - but do you have a
>> search engine which can search all the web pages?
>
>
> Actually yes I do. HtDig will indeed to that.
>
Yep, I've seen it. It requires more maintenance than Windows help
files, for instance. You need a web server, after updating pages you
need to have HtDlg respider the pages. And you need to bring up a
browser to use it.
Windows help files are more responsive since they don't require server
resources (other than a shared directory for the help files). They run
completely on the user's desktop. Compiling the help files is easier
and faster than spidering pages, especially as the project grows.
>> I know there are some out there - but the free ones which will run on
>> an intranet aren't that great a quality, while the good quality ones
>> are expensive.
>
>
> Well then you've never set one up and used it. Granted any search engine
> is only as good as the quality of the stuff it searches...
>
Sure I have. And it's impressive for some things. But not for everything!
>> Yes, there are some Unix projects out there. And there are developers
>> who use Unix. I use Unix, also. But virtually all of my development
>> is done on Windows with a NFS mount from the Linux machine. It's then
>> an easy job to make the project. And although I don't do much Unix
>> programming, I don't think I've seen ANY projects which don't have
>> Windows on the majority of the desktops.
>
>
> Who ever said majority?!? You did - not I. I merely stated that there
> may be some people who are not on Windows.
>
Sure. But not on the projects I work on. Big difference. Note that I
don't dictate the use of windows - it's the environment which is already
there before I come in.
> As for free Windows web search engines
> http://www.google.com/search?q=free+windows+web+search+engines&sourceid=mozilla-search&start=0&start=0&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official
>
>
> And as long as you already have Unix and are already accessing it,
> surely you can put your docs there and use the Unix web server and HtDig
> to provide documentation for all - instead of alienating those simply
> because they didn't choose your chosen desktop - Windows. (BTW My chosen
> desktop is Windows too! But I bear in mind others, am cognizant and
> relatively fluent in Unix/Linux and I have seen the light and utility in
> not locking people into one OS over the other).
>
Sure can. I can even put the Windows help files on a shared directory
in Unix. Or I can put them on a Windows server. Or anyplace else where
they can be shared.
And again - it's not *MY* chosen desktop. It's the one already being used.
In the real-life business world (at least in the U.S.), there are very
few people who *don't* use Windows.
>> But I'm sure there are some - and the Windows help files don't work
>> there. But they work for every project in which I've been involved.
>
>
> Shows your lack of foresight! Hey it works for me, and everybody done my
> isle so who cares. There are reasons why it's bad to lock yourself into
> a proprietary OS and proprietary formats and good to embrace open
> standards. Just look at the web! It works for Windows, Unix, Linux, Mac,
> and a host of other OSes, all relatively the same.
Yep. And see my arguments above.
This is a closed environment. The systems are already using Windows.
There is *no* reason not to use Windows help files!
Remember - I'm stating what *I* use on *my* projects. It works for me.
I am *not* telling you what you should use.
Don't tell me what I should use. You don't know my customers. You
don't know my environment. And you don't know my needs.
I know all of these. Who's in a better situation to determine what my
needs are? Let me clue you - it is NOT YOU!
Just typical of "I know your job better than you do!".
Forget it. This conversation is at an end.
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