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Posted by Onideus Mad Hatter on 03/24/06 12:43
On Fri, 24 Mar 2006 02:28:39 -0700, Neredbojias
<invalid@neredbojias.com> wrote:
>> Then educate us. How is a video camera *that* much different than a
>> police man standing on the corner actively watching you??
>There is always a difference between human and mechanical means,
Um...humans are mechanical though, biomechanical. *shrugs* And if a
human is watching through a mechanical means, then where does the
difference lie?
>but the real point is that perpetual surveillance is _definitely_ not a good
>thing.
Maybe...but not from the point you're thinking. From your point of
view, you should actually be pushing for perpetual surveillance...see
the idea is that if you flood the system with too much data it becomes
useless. Even if you found some uber level way of tracking and
cataloging all that information the fact is that it does reach a point
where you get a kind of information overload and there's just too much
data to sift through to find anything meaningful.
>> Personally, I have nothing to hide. If someone were following me,
>> "staring" at me with a VC, then I'd mind (it would be tres creepy). But
>> otherwise, I don't really give a damn. I'm not even the least bit of an
>> exhibitionist. I just figure that if I'm in public and I do something
>> stupid, then I deserve to either be caught (if a crime) or embarrassed
>> (if doing something humiliating). And if you're doing something that's
>> either a crime or stupid, well, you have no street sense/survival
>> skills and deserve what you get.
>Very idealistic - just like Communism.
Are you saying that democracy is about being able to get away with
crime so long as no one see's it? Cause if that's the case, I'd have
to go with communism...well except for the fact that communism simply
doesn't work without some form of capitalism built into it. Like our
hypocritical Chinese brethren.
>> I don't get what family values has to do with this subject? The Reps
>> are for it mainly to discourage the complaints and to create revenue
>> (from fines). Family values on this matter have nothing to do with it -
>> it's all in the name of commerce and getting more money from tourism. (
>Families don't appreciate the kind of fun spring breakers do.
>Republicans would be happy to put an end to it because it is annoying to
>the mainstream voting family-type masses and quashing it is in line with
>Rep Party "family" policy to boot.
So really, your position is that you're worried third parties will try
and use the video footage to help push certain ideals and points by
use of creative editing...but uh...well they can already do that (and
do, do that), so I don't really see your point...especially since it
would be CLOSED CIRCUIT television, meaning third parties wouldn't
have access to such footage and if they produced any footage from said
source they would be arrested and prosecuted...so where's the problem?
>I mean that if the average person in the US ever was under constant
>scrutiny by authoritarian forces, your freedoms would be history. Many
>of them are history now. You just don't realize it.
Like it says in my .sig:
"Freedom is only a concept, like race it's merely a social construct
that doesn't really exist outside of your ability to convince others
of its relevancy."
>I'm not against VCs in police cars. I'm not against VCs at all if
>they're not abused. But one thing to remember, one very primary thing,
>is "Who watches the watchers?"
Whoever has the most advanced technology at their disposable.
--
Onideus Mad Hatter
mhm ¹ x ¹
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"I'm not a professional, I'm an artist."
"The more I learn the more I'm killing my idols."
"Is it wrong to incur and then use the hate ridden, vengeful stupidity
of complete strangers in random Usenet froups to further my art?"
"Freedom is only a concept, like race it's merely a social construct
that doesn't really exist outside of your ability to convince others
of its relevancy."
"Next time slow up a lil, then maybe you won't jump the gun and start
creamin yer panties before it's time to pop the champagne proper."
"Reality is directly proportionate to how creative you are."
"People are pretty fucking high on themselves if they think that
they're just born with a soul. *snicker*...yeah, like they're just
givin em out for free."
"Quible, quible said the Hare. Quite a lot of quibling...everywhere.
So the Hare took a long stare and decided at best, to leave the rest,
to their merry little mess."
"There's a difference between 'bad' and 'so earth shatteringly
horrible it makes the angels scream in terror as they violently rip
their heads off, their blood spraying into the faces of a thousand
sweet innocent horrified children, who will forever have the terrible
images burned into their tiny little minds'."
"How sad that you're such a poor judge of style that you can't even
properly gauge the artistic worth of your own efforts."
"Those who record history are those who control history."
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