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Posted by Neredbojias on 03/26/06 06:14
With neither quill nor qualm, Connie Pierce quothed:
> > > But that's my point . . . what could be construed as a minor or
> > > annoying sacrifice of freedom, could be a lifesaver for others. For one
> > > thing, our gov isn't proposing putting VCs on every corner - only the
> > > corners with rampant, violent crime. And it HAS worked on street
> > > corners all over the US. Crime down in areas as much as 76%. For a
> > > woman who gets to see her baby/teenager one more day, that's a BIG deal
> > > and she's grateful for the camera.
> >
> > Well, I'm sure surveillance can reduce crime considerably and I don't
> > doubt that there are places where it may be a very beneficial thing.
> > What I was saying is that overall, perpetual surveillance is _not_ a
> > good thing, and the idea that if all public areas were constantly
> > videotaped it would stop the criminal from criming doesn't wash. There
> > are diverse reasons why this is so which could be debated indefinitely,
> > but it _is_ part of the right to privacy not to be continually watched
> > even in public.
> >
> > > My problem was that you didn't see the people it could HELP. You just
> > > saw you and felt sorry for you. In MHO, that's not reaponsible anything
> > > - and to me, THAT'S pretty frigging dark science fiction of you. Or
> > > maybe top-rung Communism (AKA fuck the little poor guy).
> >
> > Did you expect me to promote an opinion not my own? Furthermore,
> > illicit laws may help a few people in the short-run but they are
> > invariably a long-term detriment to society.
>
> No, but you have to understand that your opinion may not wash in
> certain circumstances. In the circum. of the crime-ridden streets, the
> best choice might be to have those cameras. It's certainly cut down on
> drive-bys and gang violence.
I _do_ understand that! Special circumstances beget special conditions.
No problemo. Say I got a flat tyre and found myself walking in one of
"those" areas around 10:00 pm. Do you think I _wouldn't_ want video
surveillance?
> Mainly, the person who takes a limo to work everyday might not complain
> about higher gas prices, but the lil guy driving a 30 yo Pacer - well
> for him, it HURTS. In the case of being searched at the airport, it
> might be a pain in the ass, but it COULD prevent a hijacking (no
> flaming, anyone, please for that one - just putting another example out
> there). EOS, you have to weigh your inconvenience in one hand and the
> lives it could save in the other. To me, at the risk of being flamed or
> accused of being mindless, I'd rather suffer a bit of delay and
> irritation vs not preventing someone else's suffering or death.
>
> That's why I spoke of someone picking their nose on the street and
> being VTd as being a consequence of stupid behavior. If ten guys are
> caught picking their noses on tape (and being laughed at for it - and
> yeah, I'd laugh - c'mon, it's gross!!), but 2 kids get to grow up (not
> being shot like dogs in the street by a Crip or Blood - those there are
> PLENTY more gangs out there), I look at those ten guys and shrug.
>
> But I only got defensive (and probably insulting) because you didn't
> ask WHY I thought the way I did. You accused me of being a mindless
> puppet who just listens to political rhetoric. If you had ASKED instead
> of flaming the crap out of me, I would have explained why. But instead,
> not only did you accuse me of being mindless, you called me "dark" and
> so on.
Uh, I didn't really think I was "flaming the crap out of" you. I talk
to everybody that way.
Anyhow, I believe you and one or two others made some comments
rhetorically asking what the difference would be if we had video cameras
in all public places. I responded by suggesting there would be a
difference and it would (not could but would) eventually lead to a
severe abridgement of our freedoms as we know them today.
> > On another subject, I was terrifically surprised at O. Hatter's reply to
> > one of the posts in the thread. I really didn't think he had that much
> > sense and wisdom in him. You seem to know him better than most so I'll
> > ask you why does he go into "cuss-word/sarcasm mode" so often? It makes
> > him look like a child and/or fool. I _know_ he is better than that, but
> > he seems to like to make himself look ridiculous. Any ideas?
>
> Yeah, I have a couple. Hat can be an utter ass, but as I've said (and
> gotten HUGELY flamed for), he's also intelligent and well-thought out
> sort of guy. Can he be arrogant? Yep. Can he be an ass? Yep, again. But
> the basics of his intelligence ARE there and ARE considerable.
>
> Personally, I think when it's related to art, talent, or technical
> skill, he expects attack. How many people here have given him
> reasonable answers to his requests for critiques? Very, very few. Most
> say "Yeah, your site sucks." They don't say, "Oh, well I like this, and
> this, but don't do this because of this." Fred, in another thread, gave
> reasonable critique and suggestions to Hat's design and didn't get
> flamed for it. Connection? I think so.
Yeah, I agree with you there. The replies are not always as gentlemanly
as they could be. And that means "gentlewomanly" as well. There's this
one broad, Barbara de Zoete (I think correct sp.) who used to be the
biggest bitch you'd ever want to see. Yes, she's better now because I
believe enough people told her how she was acting and she realized it
herself, but Boy! - in the old daze! The Wicked Witch of the West
seemed like Tinkerbell in comparison. I can understand someone being so
daunted by frustration that it manifests itself in unusual ways, but to
display such behaviour in something as non-intimate as a newsgroup
posting...? Of course men can be pissy, too, and I certainly don't wish
to display a bias toward the excessively emotional nature of the typical
woman.
> Just MHO. And watch, yet again, I'm sure I'll get flamed for it. I hope
> you're wearing an asbestos suit. ( :
Er, some like it hot.
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Neredbojias
Contrary to popular belief, it is believable.
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