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Posted by Bruce Grubb on 04/25/06 08:07
In article
<doraymeRidThis-B1D01A.08100024042006@news-vip.optusnet.com.au>,
dorayme <doraymeRidThis@optusnet.com.au> wrote:
> In article <bgrubb-902DBB.20065322042006@news.zianet.com>,
> Bruce Grubb <bgrubb@zianet.com> wrote:
>
> > In article
> > <doraymeRidThis-D50D8D.11095722042006@news-vip.optusnet.com.au>,
> > dorayme <doraymeRidThis@optusnet.com.au> wrote:
> >
> > > In article <bgrubb-1F1D55.10192421042006@news.zianet.com>,
> > > Bruce Grubb <bgrubb@zianet.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > > In article
> > > > <doraymeRidThis-705794.11495819042006@news-vip.optusnet.com.au>,
> > > > dorayme <doraymeRidThis@optusnet.com.au> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > In article <QUf1g.8657$3W1.3933@tornado.socal.rr.com>,
> > > > > Phil Wheeler <w6tuh-ng7@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > > > >
> (I snipped so much I have lost the quote count...)
>
> > > dorayme wrote:
>
> > > You are still missing the point. You need to get the point before
> > > your hello bit can be effective. I will repeat the point:
> > >
> > > Most people use IE in spite of it not being the best.
> >
> > Irrelevant and questionable at best. Also the trends suggest that IE is on
> > the decline with Gecko-Based Browsers taking the lion's share of the 11%
> > marketshare IE has lost.
>
> How can this be irrelevant to the question of a website maker
> wanting to ensure that the majority of his viewers have as best
> an experience as they can in IE.
If you write to the standard then IE should have no problems. We are having
this same little talk over at alt.html in the "Which browser to write
for??" thread.
Some relevant points from that thread:
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In article <1145632828.786351.62410@z34g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>,
"Andy Dingley" <dingbat@codesmiths.com> wrote:
Bill wrote:
> Here's the kicker, should I be designing the default page for IE 6 or
> something else?
Just don't do that at all. Design for the standard, not for this week's
fashionable browser bugs. There's one standard, it's objective.
Browser bugs always outnumber you, you'll never get on top of them.
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In article <e2ar2u$kjb$1$8300dec7@news.demon.co.uk>,
David Dorward <dorward@yahoo.com> wrote:
The general concensus (and my experience) seems to be that it is easier to
write for Firefox (or possibly Opera, Safari or Konqueror) then make
adjustments to deal with other browsers.
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The main thing to remember about HTML is it is not about look and layout
NEVER has been NEVER will be. It is about identifying the parts of a
document; ie what is a list, what is a header, what is a link, so on and so
forth.
> I think I have your measure now,
> Bruce, you will reply with something irrelevant like that no one
> can have a good experience with IE.
IE was the browser I used on the Mac for years because Netscape 2.0
corrupted the b-tree like crazy and Netscape 3.0+ were bloated
monstrosities. I also so used ICab to see if the web site was using poor
HTML.
> You will keep on missing the
> point about the wiseness of a website maker to minimise the
> damage.
WHAT YOU THINK THE STANDARD IS FOR???? SHEESH.
> > > In fact, IE is very naughty about standards.
> >
> > Actually I have yet to see any real example of a truly HTML 4.01 compliant
> > (and not just something that can 'trick' a validator) page that does
> > something totally idiotic under IE.
>
> Willing to put up some money in some escrow account for a bet on
> this?
Back in the "who uses virtual pc for testing webpages" thread in alt.html
and comp.infosystems.www.authoring some years back the only examples
people could provide fell into several categories:
1) Browser detection crap (javascript, java, etc)
2) Minor display hiccups (HTML is NOT a page layout format people)
3) NONstandard (ie broswer specific) garbage like conditional comments.
4) Purposely constructed scripts designed to cause problems.
In short the ONLY examples anyone at that time could come up with was
nonstandard crap.
> > > But most good website makers
> > > want folk to see their sites and so need to find out how their
> > > sites behave in IE so that they can put in counter measures.
> >
> > Write to the standard, end of problem.
>
> It is not the end of the problem.
Yes it is. It only by using nonstandard stuff, trying to use HTML in a way
it was NEVER designed for, or not doing KISS that you get into trouble.
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