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Posted by tshad on 05/17/05 00:59
"Beauregard T. Shagnasty" <a.nony.mous@example.invalid> wrote in message
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> tshad wrote:
>> "Beauregard T. Shagnasty" <a.nony.mous@example.invalid> wrote in
>> message news:CfOge.27169$ia6.9287@twister.nyroc.rr.com...
>>
>>> Your 8pt font is also unreadable. We discuss why not to use
>>> Verdana, and not to use px or pt for font every day here. Surely,
>>> you've read a few of those threads?
>>
>> Again, this is what FP puts out there.
>
> Sounds like a good reason to dump it. :-)
>
>> I actually do use fixed sized fonts, but they are all in my style
>> sheets that I can change later. I just found that relative sizes
>> caused me no end of problems when dealing with data input screens
>> and getting things to line up.
>>
>> I actually use 10px, 12px and 14px:
>
> I always use 100% and have no problems at all. You must be doing something
> else wrong. Or, rather of course, FrontPage is doing something else wrong.
>
> Have we mentioned that IE users will not be able to resize your fonts if
> they have vision problems?
>
>> I also have them set at the same size as the graphic images I am
>> using that have the text in them to make them consistant. How do
>> you use a relative size font in a graphic image?
>
> A graphic image of text? Why not just use text? Unless you're showing
> mathematical formulae, or need a particular emphasized header, there is
> little reason to use a graphic of text.
>
Buttons, for one thing.
>> Using standard out of the box browsers (IE, netscape, firefox) all
>> look fine. I have my screen at 1024.
>
> Screen size is unimportant. Browser window size is. My 1024 monitor
> usually has a browser window around 750-850px wide.
>
I build all my screens using 1024 and the text looks fine. As I mentioned,
we have ours screens set up to mimic government forms or just to get as much
information on one screen as possible without cluttering it. Some take 2 or
3 columns with text followed by text boxes. We have enough problems getting
the text and boxes to look right is all browsers using a fixed font. If you
make the fonts bigger, the whole page will look wrong. We spend a lot of
time just getting a particular look to the screen (much of it data entry
screens), if the browsers start mucking with it - the look is gone.
I know I am in the minority here and may take a different approach later but
when we tried using relative sizing, it would look great in one browser and
a mess in others. We have have no end of problems just trying to deal with
the differences between the browsers. On some pages we have to use
transitional and others strict to get the screens to look the same in
Mozilla vs IE, as some others here have pointed out.
>> We have had multiple people look at some of the pages without
>> telling them how to set their browsers and they use different size
>> screen resolutions and they don't seem to have a problem with it.
>
> Again, screen resolution is not important.
>
>> I did figure out my problem, however.
>>
>> My example was missing the <p> tag, so it wasn't showing the
>> problem correctly. Now it does.
>>
>> It was the DOCTYPE that was causing the problem.
>>
>> In http://www.payrollworkshop.com/Samples/ParagraphTest1.htm you
>> can see this at the dop
>>
>> <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01 Transitional//EN"
>> "http://www.w3.org/TR/html4/loose.dtd">
>>
>> As soon as I took the 2nd line out it works fine in all browsers.
>> As you can see in
>> http://www.payrollworkshop.com/Samples/ParagraphTest1.htm
>>
>> <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01 Transitional//EN">
>
> The page still has the complete doctype. In fact, I think I recall that an
> incomplete doctype will still toss browsers into quirks mode.
That my be the case, but it worked as expected once I dropped the loose.dtd
designation. Again it worked fine in one browser and not in the other when
loose.dtd was there.
>
>> I found that not only did it have a large box around it, but the
>> first example doesn't indent the text and the 2nd one does.
>
> ..and there are still no units on your paragraph margin.
> Still 15 cheeseburgers.
Again, FP. Am slowly getting rid of that. Also, moving all font sizing to
css to allow me the option of going to relative sizes later on, when I have
a chance to really look at the impact on the site.
Tom
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